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backyardpigs
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PostPosted: Apr 03 2007    Post subject: cook and store Reply with quote

I have been volunteered to smoke brisket and pork for the church this weekend. I am not a caterer and need some help. I would like to cook everything on Saturday and store until Sunday.

What steps should I take for slicing, storing, & reheating?

Any advice would be helpful.
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

is there any way you can avoid the pre-cook, and re-heat issue.

mostly all food-borne illnesses are from improper storage, and re-heating.

the longer that meat sits between +40 & +135-140 degrees after cooking and while re-heating the more of a chance of the nasty little bacterias gaining a foothold. if the meat sits in a deep pan it could take as many as 8 hours in a non-commercial refrigerator to get below the dangerous temps. and if you try to keep it hot, it will be a dry out mass of mushy garbage.


Why couldn't you get an early start and serve the food fresh from the cooker and avoid some potential problems with both quality and safety?

and the fact of that wonderful smoke smell permeating the air for the function is always a good thing too.

what do you other guys think??
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much meat?
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Harry's idea best........after all, you do NOT have the necessary equipment and knowledge (from what you say) to cook, cool and re-heat in the proper time frames.

For ALL's saftey, I would cook the day of the event even if you have to pull an 'all nighter'. Maybe get a volunteer or two to help ..if nothing else, help keep you awake.. Laughing )
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

To much risk and illegal in some states if you dont have the proper training and feeding the public[/quote]
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tips,
Here is what I have "heard" I will be cooking. We'll see what actually shows up:
2 briskets
2 pork shoulders
20-30 chicken thighs-(easy to cook the day of)
a couple of whole chickens
and a few racks of ribs
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What time on sunday do you need the food ready Mike?
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

backyardpigs wrote:
Thanks for the tips,
Here is what I have "heard" I will be cooking. We'll see what actually shows up:
2 briskets
2 pork shoulders
20-30 chicken thighs-(easy to cook the day of)
a couple of whole chickens
and a few racks of ribs


I am NOT fond of cooking something someone else provides. The reason is (besides almost biting ME in the butt one time..another story) MOST people have no clue how to 'properly' handle food. Meaning, they buy it, haul it around in the trunk of their car while they do other shopping (just one way). It SHOULD be put in ice chest (with ice) and transported to a proper holding area or directly to the place (person) cooking it.

Just too risky for me. Now if you are not the one paying for it, maybe you could meet them at the source and and pick it up and transport it yourself (properly) would be great.
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:
What time on sunday do you need the food ready Mike?


Where u from in OK Mike?
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

marvsbbq wrote:
backyardpigs wrote:
Thanks for the tips,
Here is what I have "heard" I will be cooking. We'll see what actually shows up:
2 briskets
2 pork shoulders
20-30 chicken thighs-(easy to cook the day of)
a couple of whole chickens
and a few racks of ribs


I am NOT fond of cooking something someone else provides. The reason is (besides almost biting ME in the butt one time..another story) MOST people have no clue how to 'properly' handle food. Meaning, they buy it, haul it around in the trunk of their car while they do other shopping (just one way). It SHOULD be put in ice chest (with ice) and transported to a proper holding area or directly to the place (person) cooking it.

Just too risky for me. Now if you are not the one paying for it, maybe you could meet them at the source and and pick it up and transport it yourself (properly) would be great.


Big HELL YEAH to that...
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

soonerjimmie wrote:
allsmokenofire wrote:
What time on sunday do you need the food ready Mike?


Where u from in OK Mike?


Tulsa here Wink
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You didnt mention what you are cooking on? Not a real big load of food if your cooker is big enough. Obviously, the Brisket and butts will need to be started first.

I agree with the others- I do not cook meats provided by a second (or third party). Go along to receive the meats, and promptly pack on ice.

Chicken as you mentioned is best cooked, and eaten, at the time of need. I don't serve two day old chicken to my own family, unless it is at home for chicken salad. It is cooked fresh for my clients each and every time.

The pork can be cooked ahead of time, bagged up in ziplocks (pork butt) and packed on ice in a clean cooler if you absolutely have too. The idea is to quickly cool the meats. Lots of guys here (non-catering types) freeze pork butt for weeks/months with good results. As this is for the next day, the cooler will work- make sure you have plenty of ice!

Good luck with your event! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike-
I am from Broken Arrow.

Thanks for everyone's tips.
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PostPosted: Apr 04 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Food needs to be ready around 1pm. I have a large enough cooker to handle the food, so cooking space won't be a problem.
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PostPosted: Apr 05 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

backyardpigs wrote:
Food needs to be ready around 1pm. I have a large enough cooker to handle the food, so cooking space won't be a problem.


I would just get an early start, Is there something preventing you from doing it all fresh and onsite?

You got the space for everything to fit, just stagger your start times to accomodate the different cook times.

One more quick thing for safety, if you are using Ice to pack the raw items, it is best for the meat to not have actual contact with the wet ice, Fully sealed in bags is great, jus not raw meats laying on ice. That one item gets more people cited by our health dept. than any other.
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PostPosted: Apr 05 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My ServSafe book says NOT to use the same ICE, ( utensils, tools etc.) for RAW meat & cooked meat. After raw meat is pulled out..toss the ice.

also, you CAN hold overnight IF.... You pull the meat off..wrap in foil & bury it in an ice chest full of ice. until internal temp gets below 70 ( I think 45 is better). ..then bag it & put it in the fridge. ( Again, toss the ice,any ice that has been used for chilling/cooling purposes is no longer edible)

Reheat back to 160..then you can hold at above 135....if it gets below 135..you must imediately get back above 160 for at least 15 seconds.
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the date on your book? Just different than here.
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one says '04...

what's different?
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just some of the temps. Different state different rules. Wink
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