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WBOGGS BBQ Fan

Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Mar 26 2007 Post subject: |
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| adolpho wrote: | | Don't knock the guy unless you have the same cooker! |
I dont think anybody is knocking the guy; though clearly so many peoples ego and self worth are wrapped tightly to their smokers and are personally assaulted by any negative observations of their equipment.
Seems every time a conversation about offset verses a vertical comes up the offset owners all say they have the best stuff and huge heat differences across the cook surface is a good thing. The opposing argument is that heat rises no matter how hard you try to make it go to the right and the difference cant be any more obvious than to see a cook that takes 50# of charcoal in an offset taking less than 5# in a vertical that has comparatively virtually no temp difference across the cooker.
I have a pretty decent size smoker 20 x 20 x 25 above the cook racks and can cook at 225 (even temp throughout) for almost 24 hours with less than 10# of charcoal. How can someone defend the enormous inefficiency of an offset? |
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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Posted: Mar 26 2007 Post subject: |
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| WBOGGS wrote: | | adolpho wrote: | | Don't knock the guy unless you have the same cooker! |
I dont think anybody is knocking the guy |
Hmmmmm...lets do some reading:
| WBOGGS wrote: | | WOW are you serious? |
Lets do some more reading, you always have such an interesting perspective:
| WBOGGS wrote: | | Well thanks for at least being courteous enough to not slam me as usually happens when someone doesn't do it like some ONE else. | Poor victim ....but who's really doing the slamming??
| WBOGGS wrote: | | Enough said by me; usually at this point someone gets it or starts fighting to try and be right. |
| WBOGGS wrote: | | Well there's the problem, you dont know what a full spare rib is. |
| WBOGGS wrote: | | You can say all you want that it is an advantage to have one side 25 degrees hotter than another but unless you just fell off the turnip truck you understand that the entire industry purposes to achieve even heat across the entire cooking chamber. |
| WBOGGS wrote: | | How can someone defend the enormous inefficiency of an offset? |
Yep.....you poor, poor defenseless victim....can't understand why the big bullies are pickin' on ya'
Anyone have a tissue??
Maybe you should read your own posts more carefully instead of trying to prove how right you are.
FWIW, a 20x20x25 cook chamber may be a "pretty decent size" smoker for you, and plenty big enough for the cooking you do, which is fine. But there aren't a whole lot of smokers out there that are smaller than that, size-wise. I do hope you understand that larger smokers, horizontal and vertical, require more fuel to heat the cook chamber than smaller smokers. _________________ Mike
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WBOGGS BBQ Fan

Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Mar 26 2007 Post subject: |
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allsmokenofire, you couldn't be proving my point better.
See how you made bold the part of a statement that makes you appear right?
"you just fell off the turnip truck" sure sounds like a personal attack till you put the word "unless" in front of it. Not one of the statements you are talking about is a personal attack but rather a statement of fact. Less that 5# verses 50# to accomplish the same result? If you really think that is a personal attack than nobody needs to attack you; you are proving all by yourself that you are a willing target of attack. and that you're welcome to take personal.
You must work for the Liberal Media to be such a twister of fact and denier of reality and to so closely embrace mediocrity.
Let me appologize to all who are offended by my saying that a cook that takes 50# of charcoal is less efficient than the same cook taking less than 5#. |
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Hogwild BBQ Super Fan

Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 488 Location: Hastings, NE
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Posted: Mar 26 2007 Post subject: |
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WBOGGS,
It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. Telling a regular here who obviously knows what he is doing that he doesn't know what a spare rib is is particularly damning.
From an ignorant, turnip-eating, inefficient offset smoker,
Hog _________________ VEGETARIAN-- Old Indian word for "Poor Hunter"
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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Posted: Mar 26 2007 Post subject: |
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...and you couldn't be proving my point any better.
You come into the forum trying to prove that your way is the best way and that you're right and anyone who contridicts you is wrong..."enough said", being an "asshat"(thanks OT, I luv that one ) to anyone that challenges the "WBOGGS law".
Then you turn around and cry like a mary that people are picking on you and the "less vulnerable are attacking the more vulnerable"
I, for one, couldn't care less what you think is better, more efficient, logical, right or anything else. You keep doin' what you're doin' and I'll keep doin' what I'm doin'. But at least man up and quit crying and trying to play the victim because you bring it on yourself.  _________________ Mike
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roxy BBQ All Star

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 9331 Location: Wasaga beach, Ontario
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Posted: Mar 27 2007 Post subject: |
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| Hogwild wrote: | WBOGGS,
It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. Telling a regular here who obviously knows what he is doing that he doesn't know what a spare rib is is particularly damning.
From an ignorant, turnip-eating, inefficient offset smoker,
Hog |
I believe it is called para-verbal communication. _________________ Chargriller Akorn
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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| roxy wrote: | | Hogwild wrote: | WBOGGS,
It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. Telling a regular here who obviously knows what he is doing that he doesn't know what a spare rib is is particularly damning.
From an ignorant, turnip-eating, inefficient offset smoker,
Hog |
I believe it is called para-verbal communication. |
....or maybe para-abnormal?  _________________ Mike
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roxy BBQ All Star

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 9331 Location: Wasaga beach, Ontario
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| allsmokenofire wrote: | | roxy wrote: | | Hogwild wrote: | WBOGGS,
It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. Telling a regular here who obviously knows what he is doing that he doesn't know what a spare rib is is particularly damning.
From an ignorant, turnip-eating, inefficient offset smoker,
Hog |
I believe it is called para-verbal communication. |
....or maybe para-abnormal?  |
Its usually associated with children and the way they act out and yell aweful things to get attention. It is concidered normal in children.  _________________ Chargriller Akorn
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WBOGGS BBQ Fan

Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Mar 27 2007 Post subject: |
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Well here's another example of how the truth is twisted; I dont feel at all victimized and I cant imagine what could make you could say that.
None of this is any kind of "Boggs Law", it's simple common sense which the more you guys argue against the most elementary of common sense situations, the more embarrassed you should be. That being said, I guess since you aren't embarrassed and still argue the impossible, I must be speaking principals that are way above your heads since even with the most elementary of explanations, you still dont get it.
Is there ANY intelligent life out there????
PS the number of posts ones has, has nothing to do with ability. Though I can understand what might make you say that seeing the reasoning behind the arguments you make that are at hand.
Please talk among yourselves; you all understand each other.  |
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Bedlam BBQ BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1610 Location: Broken Arrow, OK
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Posted: Mar 27 2007 Post subject: |
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| BoilermakerFan wrote: | Did a 6+ hour seasoning session today.
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Brian, congrats on finally firing that heavily modded smoker up. I was beginning to think you only like tinkering with these things instead of actually using it Well, was it everything you thought it would be? _________________ Steve
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adolpho BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 1067 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Mar 27 2007 Post subject: |
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I defend one guy's use of a lot of charcoal and all of a sudden it turns into a different battle.
Thanks Roxy for seeing my side and understanding that some units are different from others and unless you've tried it, you'll just never know.
As for the comment about how heat rises, everyone knows that. Hey, in general, bigger always requires more energy and everyone knows that too! But I'm not going to call anyone ignorant for not knowing that. A yugo can go 300 miles on a full tank that fills up with 9-10 gallons, while a Bronco can go 300 miles filling up with 22 gallons. Yes the Yugo is more efficient, but only 4 small people fit in there while the Bronco can take 5-6 fat guys like me !
Efficiency...bah-humbug. I go for what I like and feel comfortable working with. My WSM for efficient days and extra long snoozing time, and the offset trailer for days when I feel like tending a fire and getting little snooze time. And if I'm cooking for a crowd of 100, I better use my inefficient offset since it's my bigger pit.
PEACE!!! _________________ "Tag line? We don't need no stinkin' tag line!"
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WBOGGS BBQ Fan

Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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| Hogwild wrote: | WBOGGS,
It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. Telling a regular here who obviously knows what he is doing that he doesn't know what a spare rib is is particularly damning.
From an ignorant, turnip-eating, inefficient offset smoker,
Hog |
Well when he proved he didn't know what a full spare rib was I just mentioned that, that was the problem with our conversation. What's so bad about that? You mean to be accepted here I need to ignore what a full spare rib is and learn that it is something else?
And I see you too are taking a few words out of context and making them say something other than what they said in their proper context. |
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WBOGGS BBQ Fan

Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Mar 27 2007 Post subject: |
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| roxy wrote: | | Does seem like a lot. |
Why dont you climb up this guys a$$ for a while, he agreed with me. Or is he part of your click and therefore exempt from being ridiculed for seeing a problem? |
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mds2 BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 1366 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
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Posted: Mar 27 2007 Post subject: |
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I came for the BBQ advice and stayed for the drama. _________________
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WBOGGS BBQ Fan

Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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| mds2 wrote: | | I came for the BBQ advice and stayed for the drama. |
When a mans ego is so fragile it is a very destructive thing; all learning ceased at that point.  |
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mds2 BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 1366 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
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Here let me throw in my 2 cents.
Boggs, if you could discuss why you think verticals are better than offsets in a rational manner everything would be cool. There is no need for insults or backhanded compliments here. There isnt any reason to bring this drama into every thread that is about a certain type of cooker. Verticals have advantages and offsets have advantages. Both also have disadvantages, but you arent going to convert anybody by screaming like a mad man about it.
This is just advice, and not meant to be insulting in anyway.
And that is what you get for 2 cents. _________________
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mding38926 BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 2244 Location: Lake Ridge, VA
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| WBOGGS wrote: | | roxy wrote: | | Does seem like a lot. |
Why dont you climb up this guys a$$ for a while, he agreed with me. Or is he part of your click and therefore exempt from being ridiculed for seeing a problem? |
I guess I am wondering how necessary that is. I have tried to sit quietly through this one......but of course that didn't work.............
Everyone is entitled to their opinion here........kinda the beauty of this place.......but it is the way that you are sharing that opinion.........I guess anctimonious would be the right word..........I would definitely suggest toning it down a bit and not trying to pull at everyone's goat............ _________________ Dinger |
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Hogwild BBQ Super Fan

Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 488 Location: Hastings, NE
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| WBOGGS wrote: | | Hogwild wrote: | WBOGGS,
It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. Telling a regular here who obviously knows what he is doing that he doesn't know what a spare rib is is particularly damning.
From an ignorant, turnip-eating, inefficient offset smoker,
Hog |
Well when he proved he didn't know what a full spare rib was I just mentioned that, that was the problem with our conversation. What's so bad about that? You mean to be accepted here I need to ignore what a full spare rib is and learn that it is something else?
And I see you too are taking a few words out of context and making them say something other than what they said in their proper context. |
I don't see that they are out of context. Roxy posted a pic and your exact words were...
| WBOGGS wrote: | | Well there's the problem, you dont know what a full spare rib is. |
..when you could clearly see in the pic that they were trimmed and the trimmings were also in the smoker.
I'm not sure what your problem is. I was trying to be helpful and tell you that your "tone" (yes, the written word can have a tone) isn't flying real well here. When you belittle somebody...anybody...on the a forum telling them they don't know what they are doing, mines better than yours, etc etc. you're not going to have a good experience.
The turnip-eating thing was just for fun.
mds, the drama is good, huh? _________________ VEGETARIAN-- Old Indian word for "Poor Hunter"
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Hogwild BBQ Super Fan

Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 488 Location: Hastings, NE
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| WBOGGS wrote: | | mds2 wrote: | | I came for the BBQ advice and stayed for the drama. |
When a mans ego is so fragile it is a very destructive thing; all learning ceased at that point.  |
That doesn't even make sense.  _________________ VEGETARIAN-- Old Indian word for "Poor Hunter"
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WBOGGS BBQ Fan

Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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| mds2 wrote: | Here let me throw in my 2 cents.
Boggs, if you could discuss why you think verticals are better than offsets in a rational manner everything would be cool. There is no need for insults or backhanded compliments here. There isnt any reason to bring this drama into every thread that is about a certain type of cooker. Verticals have advantages and offsets have advantages. Both also have disadvantages, but you arent going to convert anybody by screaming like a mad man about it.
This is just advice, and not meant to be insulting in anyway.
And that is what you get for 2 cents. |
Every conversation I have ever had about a vertical verses an offset starts out as calm and rational as can be. But the problem starts when an injured ego that owns an offset starts saying things that defy nature in defense of the smoker they own. Now I can understand someone wanting to think they have the best thing and frankly I so often hear them making the decision to go offset because it's a macho looking cooker but it has tremendous drawbacks that they remain blind to and while they insist on being blind start attacking me. And maybe it strokes their ego to be dumping 50# of charcoal into a smoker for a moderate cook time; I dont know.
I invite you to go back and see the posts again and see if you can find in them that I used statements that many people innocently say under similar circumstances. Like UNLESS you just fell off the turnip truck you know heat rises or some similar fact. I will boldly say that if in fact you dont know heat rises, than you deserve the label just fell off the turnip truck.
And then that isn't good enough for them to pick fly s--t our of pepper on the offset thing, they have to go and bring up every little out of context fragment of a sentence they can find like "dont now what a full spare rib is". that statement is a sarcastic response to a ridiculous reply that was an attempt to belittle me when the person trying to belittle me was absolutely wrong. Frankly I thought it was a kind reply thought it caused the attack in me to backfire.
I think nothing make me gag more than to have people who are very suspect of feeling one downed when someone with less than 1,000 post under their belt knows something or has a perspective they didn't have or never thought of. And the typical clicks on Forums puff themselves up by bullying newer people and BSing beginners. However nobody knows how long I have been smoking food or what my occupational background is or anything about me, yet when I quote scientific facts they dont like to hear that are relevant to the subject I am treated as dumb as a box of nails and ridiculed. Bottom line, I dont care because they not being willing to accept facts and truth takes nothing from me and I still take advantage of those facts and buy smokers that I dont have to all but rebuild to make it so it can cook for, even with 50# of charcoal for a moderate cook.
See the problem here isn't what I said but the poor reactions of some bullies that are allowed to abuse people but the management of the forum. So few forums discipline the real offenders; cuz they are usually buddies.
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