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PostPosted: Mar 24 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've got the silver smoker all built now and all of my supplies collected up except one, the food. Any suggestions for menu choices on my first smoke? I need suggestions for the main course obviously, but I'll also take any suggestions for "appetizers" I might be able to pull off the smoker and enjoy while the main deal is getting up to temp Very Happy


For the appetizer, do ABTs.

Personally, I'm planning to do chicken for my first smoke since it's cheap if I screw it up really badly. You could always do a small brisket too.
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtbbq wrote:
by the way smo-ken I love your sig! I play the harmonica (well try to) and I'm a pretty big blues fan.


A pure, simple pleasure of life it is!!!



Good luck with your Char-Griller! Here is a link to a great page that gives you some info on fire control as well as the "starter mods" you'll want to do. You will see there's alot of the guys here that have done write-ups on their modifications as well.

http://www.homebbq.com/content.asp?contenttype=KnowledgeBase

I understand the author (Dan) is the originator of the mods and is also the one that worked with Barbecues Galore to design the Bar-B-Chef offset with the mods all built in. The top article is very informative.

Don't forget to 'season' your smoker before you cook on it!

As for a first smoke, I suggest you get a mess of chicken "quarters" (thighs and legs) as they are forgiving and pretty cheap. Next perhaps try some pork ribs and then a shoulder (butt). Small steps first!

A complaint I her on this and other boards is the "rubber skin" on slow-smoked chicken. What you can do is to locate the "hot spots" on your smoker. Usually near the firebox. Go ahead and slow-smoke the chicken but towards the end of the cook time place the chicken in the hot spot to crisp up the skin.

After you get the smoker fired up and temp is stable, open up a couple of tubes of pop-n-fresh type biscuits and place them all around the grill area. Close the lid and let it go for about 10 minutes then open it up to check. The biscuits will give you a visual of where the hot areas of your cooking area are by their degree of doneness! Its a cheap and effective way to help you "tune" your smoker as you continue to tweak it as you use it!
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well there's the problem, you dont know what a full spare rib is. A full spare rib measures between 17 and 18 inches long by 9 or 10 inches wide.



That's what full spare ribs look like.


Dude, is there anyone here you WON'T pick a fight with?? You might be a great guy in person( Question ), but your antagonistic style here just makes you come off as an asshat(had to borrow that from a previous poster cuz it gave me a chuckle Laughing ).

You might have your family and friends, or yourself for that matter, convinced that you know everything there is to know about everything, but buddy, the world is a big place with a bunch of people in it, and I think you'll be hard-pressed to convince everyone EVERYWHERE that you know it all.

So, for your own sake, chill out, take the gloves off, and relax a little bit. Or not, I really couldn't care any less, but if you don't, be prepared to swim upstream a ways. Wink

BTW, if you knew what you were looking at in Roxy's pic, you'd see that he trimmed his WHOLE spares to what is called a St. Louis cut(or Kansas City cut...it's hard to tell without seeing the other side of the slab). He has the trimmed flap sitting next to the slab, smoking the trimmings for a snack, or perhaps some baked beans. So, based on that observation, I'm pretty sure he knows what a whole spare rib is.
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:
WBOGGS wrote:
Well there's the problem, you dont know what a full spare rib is. A full spare rib measures between 17 and 18 inches long by 9 or 10 inches wide.


Dude, is there anyone here you WON'T pick a fight with?? You might be a great guy in person( Question ), but your antagonistic style here just makes you come off as an asshat(had to borrow that from a previous poster cuz it gave me a chuckle Laughing ).


Mike, I've been lurkin' a lot (and postin' a little) around here the last 2 or 3 weeks after a long hiatus and I'm figurin' out that we agree a lot more than we disagree. Wink



allsmokenofire wrote:
BTW, if you knew what you were looking at in Roxy's pic, you'd see that he trimmed his WHOLE spares to what is called a St. Louis cut(or Kansas City cut...it's hard to tell without seeing the other side of the slab). He has the trimmed flap sitting next to the slab, smoking the trimmings for a snack, or perhaps some baked beans. So, based on that observation, I'm pretty sure he knows what a whole spare rib is.


That is the first thing I noticed as well. I've had 10 racks of spares (KC cut) on my chargriller before (in racks).


roxy wrote:
.... Having problems controling temps is more a fire management issue than it is related to cooker design.
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Assuming the cooker is built well (or modded well like we do the Chargriller), there has never been a truer statement than this.
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see ya back Hogwild..

Love that asshat pic, just saved that one for future reference.. Wink
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Good to see ya back Hogwild..

Love that asshat pic, just saved that one for future reference.. Wink


Ditto....on both counts. Wink
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ended up doing some ABTs and short ribs. I have been eating a lot of chicken lately, so I wanted to try something else. I went into the butcher sop and asked him what he had for a really meaty ribs. He told me he had just packed up some beef short ribs that were pretty meaty, so I got 'em. When I got home and unwraped them I realized he had already seperated them, but they were very meaty. I cooked with lump and wood chunks thrown in for smoke. I may have overdone the amount of woodchunks, or maybe I should have wrapped the ribs in foil sooner cuz they were a little heavy on the smoke flavor. They were still mighty tasty though. Since my wife and I both really like the smoke flavor it worked out great actually, just have to think ahead for if I have more mixed company. I need to rig up a charcoal cage for the firebox since the coals were sliding every which way. I did do the entire cook on one big load of lump without having to refill the firebox though. The cooker held its heat pretty steady throughout the cook and leaked smoke far far less than I expected. Overall I am very pleased with my first smoke. Here are some pics:

After letting the fire burn for a while to "season" on went the ribs and some hickory chunks:


A little more than an hour later I was done prepping the ABTs and on they went:


About an hour later off came the ABTs. Dang these things are good. I made mine with mozerella instead of cream cheese. As you can see there are some empty toothpicks because I couldn't get the camera fast enough. You should have seen the dirty look the wife gave me when I suggested I should save some to bring in for my co-workers:


After about 3 1/2 hours on here are 3 of the done ribs, as you can see they are pretty meaty:



A little bit of a smoke ring:
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtbbq wrote:
I need to rig up a charcoal cage for the firebox since the coals were sliding every which way.


The food p*rn looks great! I think I just came up with a really good no-weld charcoal basket design... I'm heading out to the garage to assemble the basket and tomorrow I'm FINALLY going to season my Char-Griller if it doesn't rain! After that seasoning, I'll let you know how this no-weld design works. Pics will be posted in my Char-Griller thread tomorrow if all goes well.
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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vtbbq wrote:
I've got the silver smoker all built now and all of my supplies collected up except one, the food. Any suggestions for menu choices on my first smoke? I need suggestions for the main course obviously, but I'll also take any suggestions for "appetizers" I might be able to pull off the smoker and enjoy while the main deal is getting up to temp Very Happy


For the appetizer, do ABTs.

Personally, I'm planning to do chicken for my first smoke since it's cheap if I screw it up really badly. You could always do a small brisket too.


You still havent cooked anything yet on that unit...

Dude.. what have ya been waiting for..???
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PostPosted: Mar 25 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

roxy wrote:


You still havent cooked anything yet on that unit...

Dude.. what have ya been waiting for..???


I'm not Canadian, so when it got cold, I stopped working in my unheated, uninsulated garage. Razz My modifications are a lot easier to do in a clean, virgin Char-Griller too.

That and I've just been really busy on the weekends, which is the only time I have available to work on it. BUT, I did finish mounting the diffuser and did a no-weld assembly of the firebox basket. And I remembered to bend the tuning plates to run the drippings to the bottom center of the cook chamber. Tomorrow it gets seasoned and I have to see how much fuel it uses over 6 hours for John at Rock's BBQ. I need to cut down my exhaust stack extension since it's about 7" too long for ideal draft, but I'll wait till next Friday and have the muffler shop do that for me. Pics will be posted tomorrow afternoon, with smoke for valid proof! Laughing

I still need to finish fabricating the cook chamber charcoal baskets for the rotisserie, but at least I'll be able to do my first smoke session in two weeks if the weather holds out. Next weekend is a bachelor party camping trip for a buddy of mine, so it's booked.
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PostPosted: Mar 26 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess so...

Idont think mine was out out of the box 2 hours before I have some food on it. I couldnt stand the suspense. I waited to get mine all winter so by the time the snow was gone and my wife finally got around to ordering it for me, (it was a birtday present)... I was a bit fire up to try it.
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PostPosted: Mar 26 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did a 6+ hour seasoning session today.

For my no-weld basket I bolted the formed basket together with SS hardware and used SS s-hooks to hang the basket on the 1/4" rods I ran through the SFB. Worked like a charm! We'll see how long it lasts, but I think the expanded metal will give out first.
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PostPosted: Mar 26 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if the chargriller really needs a seasoning as it is painted metal inside and out though I did season mine as well just to be on the safe side.
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PostPosted: Mar 26 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The destructions recommend a 3 hour burn, but I needed to do a six hour to see how much fuel it was going to use (for Rock's BBQ) and to tweak the tuning plates location. I ended up flipping them over just like you do with the charcoal tray because it seemed to even out the smoke flow. I'll have to really tweak it later with a couple of biscuit tests after I trim down the exhaust stack and add the inner extension.

Funny part was though, the neighbors came out looking for the source of the hickory smoke. Smile
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vtbbq, now ya got to fix that thing so it cooks right. Take a bean can and cut the lip off and stick it in the bottom of that chimney so the heat has a chance to be at the grate level. Right now it goes across the top and out the chimney above the food. Also, get a big drill bit and drill a hole for that thermometer just to the right of the cook chamber handle (right above the grate) so you know how hot it is where the food cooks, not at the top (heat rises remember). Then get some wire coat hangers and fashion some hangers so you can hang foil cookie sheets right under the grate so you can block the heat from going straight up and across the cooker above the food. The cookie sheets will force the heat under them and will come around the sides where the food is. You have to butt the cookie sheets right up to the wall with the fire box on it so the heat cant rise. See Pictures:



I also fashioned a charcoal basket out of wire fencing:



Any questions, PM me.
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welcome to the forum VTBBQ. Glad to have a neihbor in vermont that enjoys smoking also. I started with a brinkman smokin n pit. Then i biult my own reverse flow last fall. Still learning how to do a fire management. I have purchased 800 lbs of wicked good lump charcoal. Used about 50 lbs today on a cook. Cooked two racks of ribs, two 3 1/2 lbs shoulder roast, ABTS & sausage.

http://usera.imagecave.com/roaster/snow/100_2093.jpg

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roaster wrote:
Used about 50 lbs today on a cook. Cooked two racks of ribs, two 3 1/2 lbs shoulder roast, ABTS & sausage.


WOW are you serious? I cooked virtually the same thing today with less than 5 pounds of Wicked Good. That's some expensive food or I guess I should say the cost of food is nothing compared with the charcoal bill.
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PostPosted: Mar 26 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does seem like a lot.
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PostPosted: Mar 26 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really. When I decide to use lump in my trailer offset, I use a twenty pound bag at a time. It burns for 2-3 hours with the intake closed almost all the way and has a controlled temp of around 250 degrees. It gets me some snoozing time and does not oversmoke the meat. The most I've used in a cook session is 3 bags of 20 lbs. to cook for about 8 hours and I was able to not worry about fire tending and able to do other prepping and sleeping while I didn't have to worry about the fire. The whole cooking session was 12 hours, so I burned sticks for the first 4 hours. Yes it was expensive, but it did what I wanted at that time and the expense was passed on to the customer Very Happy .

I only say this because roaster's pit in the picture was an offset trailer, but I did cook a lot more than roaster described. Even so, sometimes more fuel needed for bigger smokers no matter how much food you put into it. Don't knock the guy unless you have the same cooker!
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Not knocking him at all adolpho. Just seems like a lot of fuel and you are right, I have not cooked on a unit like he has...

If roaster ever gets tired of it, I know where he could find a good home for it... Wink
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