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PostPosted: Dec 18 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asphalt Cowboy wrote:
Didn't think burn through would be a problem. I planned on installing a defuser plate. That i know that will take a beating. But I love the idea KAM.

If the diffuser is heavy and the plates removable I guess you will be fine. You can always replace them if need be.



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Instead of running the grease run into a trap. What about running it back in to the burn box for some extra smoke? Friend suggested that.

Your friend has probably never seen what a grease fire can do to a load full of meat on a cooker.
Grease fires in a smoker will put off some of the nastiest smoke you will see, not to mention ruin your meat.
This is the reason I place grease bridges at the firebox opening in all my cookers.
Here is a pic of a cooker with a grease fire going on. It is a friends of mines cooker, it wasn't pretty once we had it put out.

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PostPosted: Dec 18 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also I was thinking allowing one of the R/F plate to removable. This will allow for cleaning and mods if needed.


I modified a New Braunfels offset for reverse flow with a 3/16" removable reverse flow plate. The mod improved the performance of the cooker dramatically but if I had to do it over again I would either double up on the thickness of the RF plate nearest the firebox or go with thicker plate to start with. I believe the thicker plate would help with reducing hot spots near the firebox... but that's just me guessing. Question Question Question
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PostPosted: Dec 18 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I build / run hybrids (Conventional and RF), tuning plates are the only way mine will work. At the same time, even if I chose to go with RF only, I am not completely comfortable with a pretty much set in stone welded in RF plate. At least not until I was satisfied with the performance / recipe. I do like the look of the single RF plate with its own grease drain but, once built, I have no intentions of kicking back and ogling the fine work on a daily basis. Tuning plates work fine for me and for those that may want to clean the cooker, getting a single plate out may be more than bargained for. There are many fans of the single plate, I myself have built a couple, that I understand, just doesn't work for me.
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PostPosted: Dec 18 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Instead of running the grease run into a trap. What about running it back in to the burn box for some extra smoke? Friend suggested that.

Your friend is either pulling your leg or has it out for you. That would actually be bassackwards from anything you would hope to achieve. Grease fires are a no no.That would be the reason for the grease bridge separating the cooker from the FB. Some builds have been done forgetting or not being informed of a grease bridge. I have heard of none built purposely that way tho. Smoker building 101, probably the most basic fubar would be to not have one. The local VFD will thank you for having one along with many others.
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PostPosted: Dec 19 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wreckless and KAM you guys are awesome. Amazing wealth of info.
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PostPosted: Dec 20 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just another note on the gas assist...We lost a fellow smoker locally last week, [ Fon Du Lac Wi. ] who tried re-lighting his home built gas assist after it went out. Doors blew off in the ensuing explosion, hitting him in the head and killing him. NOT the kind of stories we want to see here or anywhere!!
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PostPosted: Dec 21 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just another note on the gas assist...We lost a fellow smoker locally last week, [ Fon Du Lac Wi. ] who tried re-lighting his home built gas assist after it went out. Doors blew off in the ensuing explosion, hitting him in the head and killing him. NOT the kind of stories we want to see here or anywhere!!


That's horrible sorry to here that kind of story.

Mine is Not going to gas assist. Going to have the choice. Smoke low and slow on my off day. Then when i am going to feed 350-400 people and they want hamburgers and hot dogs. Then fire up the propane.
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PostPosted: Dec 25 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I am kinda stuck. I have my fire/ warming box made. Was going to start on the basket. Now my box is 24 inch square and I'm not sure how big i should make my basket. Would 18x18x12 be to big?
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PostPosted: Dec 25 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably are not going to burn a fire bigger than 15" x 10" x 2.5", but a bigger fire basket allows you to move the fire base, from end to end or side to side.

The small hot fire, fed every 45 - 60 minutes, should keep you cooking in the zone you like to work in, and by maintaining the fire base the right size for your cooker, will be something you learn to do in the first seasoning cooks.

Better a smaller hotter fire, than a larger colder fire.

This is why good air flow on the intakes is important.
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PostPosted: Dec 25 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my 24" cookers, my FB is typically around 24"W x 22 L, close enough to your 24" square for reference. So...my typical basket is 20" x 18". Prolly not any significant reason for these dims other than it seems to fit right. With 2" clearance per side, it allows the dampers nice breathing room to fuel the fire. Also, it seems the longest split I ever end up with is around 18" long, it drops in nicely thru the top load I build into my FB's. I re-load if needed, some lump mid cook via the end door, the basket pulls out just enough to allow the nasty lump dust to go up and outward rather than being drawn into the cooker. So, again, nothing scientific, it just works well. FWIW...the FB coal basket is heads and tails above a grate IMHO. The well contained coal base that the basket allows much better for provides a stable heat while the split provides more of the smoke eventually becoming the coal base. Many run just the original coal base adding only splits afterward. I at times re-add some lump, just what works for me. Especially noteable for those not running an RF plate or tuning plates. Not nearly the temp spike between an almost spent wood split and the introduction of a fresh one added having the coal base. Possibly another TMI from Wreckless but too little info is well, too little. Hope it works.

The basket pulled for a lump fuel reload


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PostPosted: Dec 25 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asphalt Cowboy wrote:
So I am kinda stuck. I have my fire/ warming box made. Was going to start on the basket. Now my box is 24 inch square and I'm not sure how big i should make my basket. Would 18x18x12 be to big?

Your 18" x 18" is fine in my opinion, I would reduce the height to 6" tall. The 6" tall will be adequate to contain your wood and coal base, it will also be a lot easier to work your coals if you need to.
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PostPosted: Dec 26 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

For reference sake.
Bahama Mama's firebox is 27" square, my basket is 18" square x 6" tall.
I am cooking two turkeys and a Ham today, here is a pic of my coal base with her running at around 275°.


Look closely you can see the heat signature of a clean burning fire.

I hope this helps. Very Happy
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Dam i like that basket. I might have to do a couple of mods.

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/John_Randel/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141225_114330_zps95c1f510.jpg.html?o=3
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PostPosted: Dec 26 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote



18x18x6 basket. ( might make a couple mods)



almost done with the fire box.
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Dam i like that basket. I might have to do a couple of mods.

The Vee grates are removable for easy cleaning.
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I look forward to following your build. I wont lie, I cringed a little, well a lot, when I seen air compressor tank. My X3 Build was a compressor tank and it ended up being my first experience at a square face cooker build. It was 3/16 wall and not 1/4 like yours, so hopefully that will be an advantage for you. I would NOT tack your hinges on before your final cut on the door. If your lucky, you wont have too many times with the door on and off the cooker beating it to submission trying to get it to fit right again. Don't be scared though, there is enough knowledge on the Ring to walk you through about anything you encounter. Your off to a good start, looking forward to seeing more pics and updates Very Happy
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TrailerBuilder wrote:
I look forward to following your build. I wont lie, I cringed a little, well a lot, when I seen air compressor tank. My X3 Build was a compressor tank and it ended up being my first experience at a square face cooker build. It was 3/16 wall and not 1/4 like yours, so hopefully that will be an advantage for you. I would NOT tack your hinges on before your final cut on the door. If your lucky, you wont have too many times with the door on and off the cooker beating it to submission trying to get it to fit right again. Don't be scared though, there is enough knowledge on the Ring to walk you through about anything you encounter. Your off to a good start, looking forward to seeing more pics and updates Very Happy


I am almost scared to cut the door now. If it gives me fits then i will end up mocking the X3 of yours. Better pass me your and K.A.M'S number. lol
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You can always build a Coffin door. Wink
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You can always build a Coffin door. Wink

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k.a.m. wrote:
You can always build a Coffin door. Wink

When the time comes you may need the k.a.m. / Yoda Hotline.


NICE.
So I bought a jeep awhile back. Part of the purchase was this trailer 4'4" wide and 7'9" long. I stripped it from the wooden deck. I never looked at the trailer to close. Brought it home and parked it for about 2 years. So back to removing the wood. I couldn't believe my eyes when i seen what some idiots had done.
Look closely



Now I have another trailer i can use (white). Just have to cut 18 inches off the rear to get the firebox closer to the axle. Someone already placed expanded metal as a deck. My old man welded a mount on the front to carry his motorcycle.
So i am at a dilemma. Use the white trailer or the black. Either way I am going to be looking at some time behind the grinder.
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