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Hick's Country BBQ Newbie
Joined: 29 Jul 2013 Posts: 70
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Posted: Dec 15 2013 Post subject: Question for you guys using a gas assist smoker |
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| My partner cooks his briskets on a stick burner for about 5 hours and then finishes them in ovens, he wants to do the same thing with this state of the art Old Hickory Rotisserie model SSJ smoker that we just purchased,, it has the cook and hold option on it, we will have CVAP cabinets, does this make sense to any of you pros ? I am sure there are more than one way to skin a cat but this just seems like a lot of extra work to me, any advice is greatly appreciated. Oh, we start demolition Monday, should be interesting. |
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kurtsara BBQ Pro

Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 787 Location: Princeton, Minnesota
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Seems like a waste of time to me, I sure like the briskets that come out of our CTO's. _________________ Kurt
2 Ole Hickory CTO's |
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Harry Nutczak BBQ All Star

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 8558 Location: The Northwoods
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Posted: Dec 15 2013 Post subject: Re: Question for you guys using a gas assist smoker |
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| Hick's Country BBQ wrote: | | My partner cooks his briskets on a stick burner for about 5 hours and then finishes them in ovens, he wants to do the same thing with this state of the art Old Hickory Rotisserie model SSJ smoker that we just purchased,, it has the cook and hold option on it, we will have CVAP cabinets, does this make sense to any of you pros ? I am sure there are more than one way to skin a cat but this just seems like a lot of extra work to me, any advice is greatly appreciated. Oh, we start demolition Monday, should be interesting. |
I could see transferring to an oven if he doesn't wanna babysit a stick-burner with zero automated temp controls, but to do that with a temp controlled pit , especially one with a hold option, that seems like he is creating more work than needed. _________________ Just remember that the toes you may step on during your climb to the top will also be attached to the a$$es you'll be forced to kiss on your way back down! |
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RodinBangkok BBQ Super Fan

Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 491 Location: Bangkok Thailand
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Posted: Dec 15 2013 Post subject: Re: Question for you guys using a gas assist smoker |
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| Harry Nutczak wrote: | | Hick's Country BBQ wrote: | | My partner cooks his briskets on a stick burner for about 5 hours and then finishes them in ovens, he wants to do the same thing with this state of the art Old Hickory Rotisserie model SSJ smoker that we just purchased,, it has the cook and hold option on it, we will have CVAP cabinets, does this make sense to any of you pros ? I am sure there are more than one way to skin a cat but this just seems like a lot of extra work to me, any advice is greatly appreciated. Oh, we start demolition Monday, should be interesting. |
I could see transferring to an oven if he doesn't wanna babysit a stick-burner with zero automated temp controls, but to do that with a temp controlled pit , especially one with a hold option, that seems like he is creating more work than needed. |
Not only are you creating more work, I think more importantly you are introducing another human variable in your cooking process. That is making sure someone does this transfer at the right time, and right internal temp. Anytime you can takes humans out of the process your going to have a more uniform product. _________________ Rod |
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Hick's Country BBQ Newbie
Joined: 29 Jul 2013 Posts: 70
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| Thank you guys for your input, I am all ears if you want to share any tips, thanks again. |
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Bbq Bubba BBQ Pro
Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Posts: 503 Location: New Baltimore Mich.
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BBQ isint cooked in an oven???  _________________ 2013 BBQ Person of the Year
Pitmaster at Lockharts BBQ in Royal Oak Mi.
I cook the best brisket north of Dallas.
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qfanatic01 BBQ Pro

Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 768 Location: Champlin, MN
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First to answer your question, I cook brisket to temp. That is the only way to get consistent slicing brisket. As I have stated on a few threads here I cook whole briskets to 188 to 195 at the point. This can take anywhere from 6 to 8 hours. Briskets are as different as you and me. With high temps below zero this week our briskets have been taking 10-12 hours. My smokers are through the wall for several reasons. Cook and hold will be hit or miss with mostly miss. When slicing we put the caps aside and double smoke for 4 more hours the next day and use the Burnt Ends in several ways. We slice them as brisket, we dice them and their scraps for our beans, for our Philly Q special and Chili special. We don't have enough demand for Burnt Ends on there own. Cook your pulled pork with the cook and hold over night.
| Bbq Bubba wrote: | BBQ isint cooked in an oven???  |
As for the smoker, a smoker is an oven that uses wood as a fuel or in some form as a method of seasoning food. Build your flavor profile with what you have to work with. A stick burner isn't available to everyone. I have a gas assist which is what the majority of the top BBQ restaurants in this country use. Some have their original center piece in the front, but out back they probably have a Southern Pride or several to keep up with the volume without having to be baby sat. I use wood as a fuel in mine not just as token seasoning of a couple of sticks and enjoy the auto light and auto temperature management and safety net of the gas assist. I also have one that I use for competition and use the gas assist to light the wood and then disconnect the gas to comply with KCBS rules and use wood only for the cook. I get the same cooking results as the gas assist, but I have to pay a bit more attention. _________________ The lessons are in the customer's criticism. They aren't always right. The rewards are their satisfaction. |
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UpNSmoke Newbie
Joined: 01 Jan 2014 Posts: 27 Location: Indiana
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Sounds like your partner just needs to get familiar with using a gas assit pit. I loved the one I used. I could throw my butts in, then my brisket a couple hours later, load a couple more logs then go home and sleep which is hard to come by in the bbq biz.
Every pits different, location, age of the pit, user, temp, quantity and cut of meat all factor into your cook times. Like everyone is saying he's adding an unnecessary step. Do test runs until your blue in the face. Use the product from your test runs to do marketing (unless its awful). Use a log and change one factor at a time until your happy. That way you can have a routine and product quality in place before you do a soft opening. |
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nskitts Newbie

Joined: 14 Jun 2011 Posts: 80 Location: Jackson, OH
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He is basically using a technique that would be used if you were using a stick burner that needs attention. Totally not necessary with a gas assist. In fact, once your gas assist burns off all the wood it is essentially a huge gas oven, mine turns out gorgeous brisket and I don't wrap, spray,etc. Out in the open, 12 hours, put it on the night before and go to bed.
I will say, I would rather pull it off after 12 hours and CVAP than to let the smoker hold it. _________________ 500 Gallon Propane Offset
22.5 WSM "Set it and Forget it."
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Harry Nutczak BBQ All Star

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 8558 Location: The Northwoods
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Posted: Jan 02 2014 Post subject: |
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| nskitts wrote: |
I will say, I would rather pull it off after 12 hours and CVAP than to let the smoker hold it. |
I totally agree,
I have found some fantastic brisket textures, yields, and flavors with extended hold times in a CVAP after pulling them out of the pit.
I'm to the point now where I am looking at increasing my holding capacity instead of my cooking capacity. _________________ Just remember that the toes you may step on during your climb to the top will also be attached to the a$$es you'll be forced to kiss on your way back down! |
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Hick's Country BBQ Newbie
Joined: 29 Jul 2013 Posts: 70
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Posted: Jan 02 2014 Post subject: |
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| That makes good sense, you could be cooking ribs or chicken while your briskets were holding in a CVAP, never have used one but have been reading a lot and listening to you guys, I am sure we will have a couple of them at least, thank all you guys for the wealth of information that you all share, Happy New Year ! Hope you all knock them dead this year. |
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