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PostPosted: Jan 15 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is an issue of quality more than anything else, in my opinion!

I've done it to speed things up, but you get more bark proportionally compare with a whole butt, and if that's the way you like it go for it, I've also eaten "faux que" given to me, (by friends), cooked in a crock pot with "real liquid smoke", they and their family raved over the family traditionally cook BBQ... (it had too much liquid smoke, more has to be better, right? and was cooked far to long and was swimming in Kraft BBQ sauce), it was more of a Kraft BBQ pork soup!

Personally I will take an 8+ lb butt, and butterfly it or slice it into two along the blade side of the bone but that's as much as I cut them up for pulled pork.

Get yourself a pit that can run on a load of fuel, a UDS, WSM, pellet pooper, gravity feed, and even a number of offsets that can run longer times when you know what you are doing, and have fuel baskets, even to bigger commercial pits burning propane or natural gas with wood being used for flavor, I was out the weekend before last at 25°F and I will admit you want to move as fast as possible, (while avoiding wind chill as best you can), at those temperatures, cooking ribs on a BDS.

There are dozens / hundreds of other techniques that I'll give at least one attempt to, before making a choice to add or not add it to my repertoire... I'd rather grill burger and hot dogs, if I don't have time or inclination to cook pulled pork to the quality I know I can cook it.

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PostPosted: Jan 15 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago I used to get butts cut in half. I did not find it cut the cooking time in half but it did shorten the cook by a few hours.

The main reason I was doing this was to get some extra bark.

I do think cooking them whole will result in a better product as the fat and connective tissue has time to break down properly..
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cold is never a problem when I BBQ, I set up my BGE on my deck and roll it over to my living room window. Then I go inside and watch the game. Occasionally I will look over my shoulder and check the temps through the window. Only time I get in the cold is set up, adjustment and removal. Last brisket I did is was 15 degrees out.

I had the game on and a beer on a coaster... no worries!

(of course my stick burner does get neglected when temps are below 55) Razz Razz
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

1buckie wrote:
Canadian Bacon wrote:
Seems like everyone is looking for shortcuts when bbq'ing.What ever happened to drinking a few brew and shooting the sh@t with friends around the cooker while tending a fire and doing true low and slow Q'ing.
Myself I would never start cutting butts and briskets into small pieces to cook faster.......just get out of bed and start earlier.

Now everyone wants sleep,wires and gadgets hanging out of their cooker's...anything that will help them get things done in a hurry....hands free,maintenance free.....thats no fun.....you may as well order out.

All these gadgets,gauges and wires and shortcuts are ruining the bbq experience.
This is only my opinion so don't everyone start going off on me...I still like to take my time when it comes to Q'ing and stick with the old tried and true methods.
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PLUS ONE MILLION !!!!!

I wish it would take LONGER than it already does....

It's the most enjoyable activity there is...... Very Happy



Plus 1 CB and Ken. To me cooking is a hobby, not a job. Therefore I treat it as a labor of love. Although I still have much to learn I enjoy it immensely and try the produce the best product I can. The greatest reward for me is the cook itself. If the end product happens to taste good to me, that's icing on the cake. And, if others enjoy it also, the reward is doubled.

The cook, therefore, is the journey and the food the destination. I thoroughly enjoy every bump and pothole along that road. s...l...o....w...d....o...w....n...

Just sayin'.
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrunkPlumber wrote:
1buckie wrote:
Canadian Bacon wrote:
Seems like everyone is looking for shortcuts when bbq'ing.What ever happened to drinking a few brew and shooting the sh@t with friends around the cooker while tending a fire and doing true low and slow Q'ing.
Myself I would never start cutting butts and briskets into small pieces to cook faster.......just get out of bed and start earlier.

Now everyone wants sleep,wires and gadgets hanging out of their cooker's...anything that will help them get things done in a hurry....hands free,maintenance free.....thats no fun.....you may as well order out.

All these gadgets,gauges and wires and shortcuts are ruining the bbq experience.
This is only my opinion so don't everyone start going off on me...I still like to take my time when it comes to Q'ing and stick with the old tried and true methods.
It's done when its done! Very Happy




PLUS ONE MILLION !!!!!

I wish it would take LONGER than it already does....

It's the most enjoyable activity there is...... Very Happy



Plus 1 CB and Ken. To me cooking is a hobby, not a job. Therefore I treat it as a labor of love. Although I still have much to learn I enjoy it immensely and try the produce the best product I can. The greatest reward for me is the cook itself. If the end product happens to taste good to me, that's icing on the cake. And, if others enjoy it also, the reward is doubled.

The cook, therefore, is the journey and the food the destination. I thoroughly enjoy every bump and pothole along that road. s...l...o....w...d....o...w....n...

Just sayin'.


see this makes no sense to me. You don't care if it tastes good but if it does COOL? Why not just light a grill and go get a bag of mcribs and sit in front of it for several hours drinking and eating the mcribs if taste is not your goal.
I do it because I like smoked meat. I enjoy the process but my ultimate goal is to have good tasting food. I asked if anyone had done this to see their experience with it. If it would be a good way to get pulled pork if I didn't have time to devote to a whole day cook. I got some very good answers that made me think that cutting it up is not the way to go but can be used if needed and that's what I was looking for. Thanks to all that answered without any weird ass rants. Laughing
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, here was this:

1buckie Posted: Tue Jan 15
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Manana, I think you could get close enough to the tenderness w/ the smaller pieces.
I think the easy to spot difference being the larger piece you have a larger mass of fattiness to cook down & tenderize the meat....

The country ribs, for instance, I & a lot of people will braize them with liquid part of the cook to help get them tender....



But I also agree with some of the weird ass ranting.... Very Happy

Seems you know how to strike "The BBQ Lost Chord"

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


There's a lot of times when what The Dr. Plumber says does make sense, cause I'm way stickin' my neck out there &
the possibility of MASSIVE failure is very real......

Luckily, or blessedly, it's usually at least edible & sometimes a raging success, the finding out which it's gonna be is at least half the fun !!!!
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

1buckie wrote:
Well, here was this:

1buckie Posted: Tue Jan 15
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Manana, I think you could get close enough to the tenderness w/ the smaller pieces.
I think the easy to spot difference being the larger piece you have a larger mass of fattiness to cook down & tenderize the meat....

The country ribs, for instance, I & a lot of people will braize them with liquid part of the cook to help get them tender....



But I also agree with some of the weird ass ranting.... Very Happy

Seems you know how to strike "The BBQ Lost Chord"

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


There's a lot of times when what The Dr. Plumber says does make sense, cause I'm way stickin' my neck out there &
the possibility of MASSIVE failure is very real......

Luckily, or blessedly, it's usually at least edible & sometimes a raging success, the finding out which it's gonna be is at least half the fun !!!!


I can see your point and I even agree with parts of the weird ass rants. BUT I asked about 1 specific meat and thoughts on it not all smoking. I wasn't trying to become the fastest smoker ever, I just asked a simple little question.

Also I know I'm taking a gamble on how it's going to turn out any time I cook something, but I really want it to turn out good. I do become a little disappointed if I stoke a fire for 12 hours and the stuff ends up tasting like crap. I always go out there trying and hoping that the end product tastes good not to just experience smoking. Like I said I can sit in front of a fire if I want to just experience the smell of smoke and not good food.
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manana ~~>
"I do become a little disappointed if I stoke a fire for 12 hours and the stuff ends up tasting like crap."

Yeah, I get that.....
I've come out throughly crestfallen enough to understand that.......

Like I said a few months back:
"Your learning curve will not be as steep as some 'cause you ask high quality questions !!!"

Another good question....THANK YOU !!!

PS: it's also a uniquely "Smoke Ring" thing to ask a simple question & get a bigger answer !!!!
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manana. You know something? Give it a try and see what happens. Yes we all have our own opinions, but who knows. Once you eat it it'll probably be the best thing you've ever tried. It's our differences that makes us friends. We don't all have the same taste buds. That's why they got chocolate and vanilla. Give it a whirl and be your own judge. Don't forget pics. Laughing
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manana, I'm going with I.S. on this one, give it a shot. Wink
I've never tried it so I can't say, although sometimes a little experiment makes a cook more fun. Very Happy
Good luck and please post your results if you try it.

FWIW, I've had a few experiments that didn't come out great, they were all fun to try though. Cool
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

italian skewer wrote:
Manana. You know something? Give it a try and see what happens. Yes we all have our own opinions, but who knows. Once you eat it it'll probably be the best thing you've ever tried. It's our differences that makes us friends. We don't all have the same taste buds. That's why they got chocolate and vanilla. Give it a whirl and be your own judge. Don't forget pics. Laughing


I'm thinking about halfing one like Roxy said and seeing what happens. My husband really likes bark.
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PostPosted: Jan 16 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with CB on this one. I have never considered cutting down a butt and must admit I have thought (WTH?) when I've seen people do it. I can see going with a butterfly or cutting in half to achieve more bark but I get my bark on my butts with long cook times and I don't think I could balance out getting the bark and maintaining that juicy goodness that you see when you bust open a 9 lb butt, cooking chunks that are 1 to 2 lbs. Yes I want bark! But I want it on a sandwich with melt in your mouth juicy pulled pork.

I am of the opinion that this is achieved by cooking large cuts low and slow. I don't think I can replicate this by cooking small chunks.




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PostPosted: Jan 17 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manana - I say give it a shot! If ya don't like it, feed it to the dog Laughing

My thoughts are -
Smaller pieces will give you more bark, but I wouldn't think the cooking times would be that much shorter (maybe 20%?). You still have to get past the stall so your meat isn't tough. I dunno, just a thought, as I've only done big butts Shocked Laughing .

I'm in the camp of low n slow, hanging out, having a few beers, music on, etc.

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PostPosted: Jan 17 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if my post was construed as a "weird ass rant", it certainly was not written with that intention. I meant no disrespect to anyone's particular Q'ing methods. I don't care if you shread it before you cook it. I was merely trying to describe what I enjoyed about cooking. You want to cube it? Then cube it? Wanna' cook it hot and fast? Have at it. I will continue to cook huge clods and chunks of meat for hours, maybe even days, at a time.

PS. Of course I want the food to taste good. I just put that in there because sometimes it does not turn out as well as I would like. Wink

PSS. Make sure you post pictures in case it does work. I may get in a hurry some day. Shocked
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