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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: New Cooker Design, Meat Cook Range Input Wanted Reply with quote

Hello all:

I have designed a totally new concept of cooker and prior to building I wanted some input on what kind of temperature variations that you cook with. I know not everyone likes to cook brisket, pork, ribs, chicken, etc. at the exact temperature. The smoker I developed has multiple chambers in it that are all heated by the same fire. It is a fully insulated cabinet smoker (with reverse flow similar to a Backwoods Smoker) with a single fire box, but multiple cook chambers that can have the temperature regulated by adjusting the dampers. I am estimating that I can achieve about a 50 degree temp difference from one chamber to the next all using the same fire. I was just curious what kind of a spread you all use cooking your various meats. I'm not asking for any of you secrets, and the meat I cook for competition varies by 50 degrees. The cooker I will be making for competition will have four seperate chambers for each category on the single unit. If my thermal calculations are correct and the cooker works to my expectations I will be looking to produce them in different variations. Thanks ahead for your input!
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I will be looking to produce them in different variations


So, are you going to be building and selling your new design?
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is the intent. I want to get input from as many people as I can. I know of a guy that cooks his brisket and pork at 200, his ribs at 225, and his chicken at 250. He hates dragging around three smokers to the competitions he goes to and he is the one funding the build of this. I have 3d modeling software so I have the design relatively complete. The first unit is going to have three chambers. It is going to be insulated with 2" of ceramic insulation. We have his cooker design with the chambers being 36" tall, 12" wide, and 24" deep. There are 8 shelves spaced 3" apart, all removable. That's 6912 sq. inches of cooking grate for ribs only. Every other shelf will have to be removed to load brisket or pork butts leaving the spacing at 6" between and only 4 shelves per chamber for a cook area of 3456 sq. inches. Total finished cooker size is 50" wide X 30" deep X approx. 56" tall.
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess since your new here, I'll let you in on a little secret...we're not real big on double posts, especially copy and paste Wink
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, just wanted to get it in front of as many people as possible as fast as possible since we are going to be sending our sheetmetal nests to the Laser probably this weekend to get cut. Just want some potential input on any last second cooking chamber temps.
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That's all fine and dandy! But what's in it for us? This forum is about the backyard fabricator who takes pride in building a cooker of some kind for himself and putting out some killer Que for his family and friends. So if your going into it on a lucrative basis...what's in it for us? Why should we help you line your pockets?
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Sorry I asked, you will never see me on the site again, this is my last post. FYI, I'm in it to help other people who want to compete not to make money. I don't care what I make thats why I would offer them for my cost plus a couple hundred dollars for my time, to help people get something that is really good quality and get them out doing something they enjoy. I worked for years at a job that I hated and now I am doing something I love and I just wanted to pay it back and try to help out.
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kyleness wrote:
Sorry I asked, you will never see me on the site again, this is my last post.


True dat!

Well I'm sorry I missed you!
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It's josey wales, pow,pow,pow,pow. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's all fine and dandy! But what's in it for us? This forum is about the backyard fabricator who takes pride in building a cooker of some kind for himself and putting out some killer Que for his family and friends. So if your going into it on a lucrative basis...what's in it for us? Why should we help you line your pockets?

Wood Pallet has a greencard and a new alias?
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TrailerBuilder wrote:
This forum is about the backyard fabricator who takes pride in building a cooker of some kind for himself and putting out some killer Que for his family and friends.


My neighbors really get irritated with me because I am a frontyard fabricator and tend to wake up the neighborhood @ 7am on saturday mornings with the grinder and abrasive saw, I just don't see what's the problem. Laughing
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My neighbors really get irritated with me because I am a frontyard fabricator and tend to wake up the neighborhood @ 7am on saturday mornings with the grinder and abrasive saw, I just don't see what's the problem. Laughing


I have a neighbor bordering the back of my property that gets to see my "future projects" stash on a daily basis. They are super nice people and never say anything about it, but I can tell they get annoyed a little when I drag something else in. Usually I throw and extra brisket or pork butt on the cooker 2 or 3 times a year and take to them "out of the blue" Its cheap insurance to keep the peace and make my life simple Laughing Give it a shot once you get your cooker done, it will go miles with them Cool
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems odd that his financiers apparently are not able to control temperatures of their equipment. I've never run into that particular problem.

But, as far as the idea goes, I'd have to go with "pretty stupid".
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PostPosted: Dec 08 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahh...so many friendly people on the smokering.

there are several cookers doing similar things to what was described, but none exactly like that.

Deep South is building a dual chambered cooker with 2 fires. I believe Peroria makes a smoke with a bunch of dampers to control the temp different inside the main chamber.

I dont think that the person asking for the build is having problems maintaining temps, rather they are having problems managing 3 smokers to cook their competition meats.

Lots of teams out there cooking different meats at different temps and if they could do that on one cooker, I am sure there would be an interest.
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jim78954 wrote:
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But, as far as the idea goes, I'd have to go with "pretty stupid".


Not stupid at all. The idea of being able to cook on the same cooker with different temps in different locations is a good idea. Its pretty similar to using a cooker with tuning plates. Being able to move the plates and create hot spots on a cooker is awesome, Ive done it with my X2 build many times and it works like a champ.


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ahh...so many friendly people on the smokering.


You are right! A lot of great people here on the Ring. A lot of great fabricators and comp cookers and just hobbyist who contribute a wealth of information to similar folks who enjoy the same things. But I think its a bit different when a person comes in and wants to take everyones knowledge and put dollar bills in his back pocket with it. The OP has a good idea, not far fetched at all and with the proper damper set up, likely a very efficient cooker. The object of the design was never questioned. The OP is wanting free information on something he has huge doubts about so he can profit. Theres a major difference between me or anyone else helping someone on the Ring who is building a cooker for themselves, compared to me or anyone else helping someone on the Ring who is wanting to profit from ideas and knowledge of me or anyone else on the Ring. Never a matter of being "friendly". Its a matter of being blunt and to the point and simply put, Whats in it for the Ring? Wheres the Rings cut on his profits? Plain and simple.
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PostPosted: Dec 08 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

he should have just posted in the competition section since he really just wanted temps that comp cooks cook at.

He wasnt asking for help with his design, or how to build or anything else. Just curious what temps people cooked at. I dont see that as a question where he is looking to line his pockets...

You were a dick to him. No biggie, but please dont act like you were doing the rest of us a favor.
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kyleness , please post pics of your design and the Ring will be happy to assist in any questions you may have. If it is proprietary and not possible with your endeavour, then it is a lucrative deal and that is not what we are about.
Dawg, Troy is not a dick, he contributes FIRST, and then, only then, has he maybe asked for a suggestion. Pay forward, then ask for help. Trailerbuilder adds to this forum rather than take, please take note of that. The post had remembrances of wood pallet. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Dec 08 2012    Post subject: Re: New Cooker Design, Meat Cook Range Input Wanted Reply with quote

kyleness wrote:
Hello all:

I have designed a totally new concept of cooker and prior to building I wanted some input on what kind of temperature variations that you cook with. I know not everyone likes to cook brisket, pork, ribs, chicken, etc. at the exact temperature. The smoker I developed has multiple chambers in it that are all heated by the same fire. It is a fully insulated cabinet smoker (with reverse flow similar to a Backwoods Smoker) with a single fire box, but multiple cook chambers that can have the temperature regulated by adjusting the dampers. I am estimating that I can achieve about a 50 degree temp difference from one chamber to the next all using the same fire. I was just curious what kind of a spread you all use cooking your various meats. I'm not asking for any of you secrets, and the meat I cook for competition varies by 50 degrees. The cooker I will be making for competition will have four seperate chambers for each category on the single unit. If my thermal calculations are correct and the cooker works to my expectations I will be looking to produce them in different variations. Thanks ahead for your input!


When I was a Young'n ( Shocked ) Grandmaw used to cook on sumthin' similar to what you were describing...It wasn't
a fully insulated cabinet but it did have multiple chambers and a single firebox...even came with a cook-top...

Looked sumthin' like this...

Laughing Laughing Wink

Dawgphan...Troy (TrailerBuilder) has done MANY of Us here favors by sharing his years of experience in metals fabrication , mechanical design abilities, problem solving, drafting and drawing for some of our Forum Brothers who are less than skilled at putting their thoughts and ideas on paper and ...Yes, even to the extent of putting forward an opinion or two ( Or more at times!) Shocked Laughing Laughing Wink regarding the nature of some of the posts that are put up on the Forums. Troy may seem blunt at times but this is the real world...If some folk here can't take the heat then they ought to leave the kitchen... Seems that kyleness took just that road...Too bad...Lots to be learned here!

These Forums are Loaded with personal opinions- likened to Bung Holes...Every one here has one. Shocked

It is solely your opinion that TrailerBuilder was a "dick" to kyleness for speaking up in what he believed to be a front for free advertisement. I do not speak for Troy...He's REAL
good at doing that for "His-self". Laughing But I will offer this in response to your last post...If 'Ya don't have any good thing to say about someone here-In this case, Trailerbuilder- Then Mind Your Own Friggin' Business and Don't Say Nuthin' At All!


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Just an FYI, but when a fabricator says hes needs opinions before his material goes to press to cut, that means they are fishing for or needing ideas or suggestions for a project.

Also, it was posted in the comp section and was removed by the moderator, hence the double post comment. Of course you probably didn't know that but still choose to shoot off at the mouth for no reason.

And I can assure you that wasn't being a dick Wink I can also assure you that by doing anything for "us" has nothing to do with "you" because you mean nothing to "me"
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kyleness , please post pics of your design and the Ring will be happy to assist in any questions you may have. If it is proprietary and not possible with your endeavour, then it is a lucrative deal and that is not what we are about.
Dawg, Troy is not a dick, he contributes FIRST, and then, only then, has he maybe asked for a suggestion. Pay forward, then ask for help. Trailerbuilder adds to this forum rather than take, please take note of that. The post had remembrances of wood pallet. Evil or Very Mad


Wreckless...Thank You! Wink ( I was typing while You were posting. Laughing Cool )

All in All ...Ya'll said it all in ONE paragraph! Wink Way Cool!

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