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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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Posted: Oct 12 2012 Post subject: need advice on using oak splits as fuel, HELP |
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so i have always used charcoal in my offset smoker
but i thought i would use oak splits instead after a trail run on some fatties today they had a real harsh smoke flavor
i left the exhaust open while cooking only used one split what im i doing wrong i have a brisket to do this weekend so i would love to know what i did wrong so i dont ruin the brisket |
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BUGSnBBQ BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 29 Jul 2010 Posts: 3981 Location: Smyrna, Georgia
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I would guess your splits are not dry (seasoned), and/or not enough airflow to make a good hot burn.
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k.a.m. BBQ Mega Star

Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 26020 Location: Southeast Texas.
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Texml, was your wood wet or green? Did you preheat it before going in the firebox? Were you running a small hot coal base or relying on the burning wood for heat. A smoldering Oak fire is nasty smoke in my opinion. If the coal base is to small and you rely on just a burning log your smoke will be much thicker. How was the exhaust looking? was it thick white smoke or greyish in color? _________________ Always remember slow and steady wins the race.
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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Did you burn it bark side down or split side down?
Did you have a good bed of coals?
Did the split burn as soon as it was put on the fire... or within a minute? _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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Posted: Oct 12 2012 Post subject: |
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| k.a.m. wrote: | | Texml, was your wood wet or green? Did you preheat it before going in the firebox? Were you running a small hot coal base or relying on the burning wood for heat. A smoldering Oak fire is nasty smoke in my opinion. If the coal base is to small and you rely on just a burning log your smoke will be much thicker. How was the exhaust looking? was it thick white smoke or greyish in color? |
it was a greyish smoke the wood is dry and seasoned and i had a small pile of charcoal under it |
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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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| SoEzzy wrote: | Did you burn it bark side down or split side down?
Did you have a good bed of coals?
Did the split burn as soon as it was put on the fire... or within a minute? |
bark side up, i had a chimney full of coals under it and seem to take the fire pretty fast |
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k.a.m. BBQ Mega Star

Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 26020 Location: Southeast Texas.
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Texml, from how your describing your smoke it reads like stale smoke from a smoldering fire. Your coal base may not be large enough to burn the sticks your feeding it or it could be lack of intake air. What are you cooking on? _________________ Always remember slow and steady wins the race.
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BluDawg BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 2071 Location: Jonesboro,Tx.
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I burn Oak all the time in my CG I start out with about a 1/4 bag of RO lump and 2 splits and blast it with the weed torch for about 5 min and leave the FB open until I get a good clean burn on the Oak then very slowly close it slammming the lid can blow out the flame until the heat build up. I let it burn for about an Hr before I start cooking to get the steel hot this helps with a clean burn and establish a good bed of coals. I pre heat mine on top of the FB they are usually already burning by the time I need to add it.
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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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| k.a.m. wrote: | | Texml, from how your describing your smoke it reads like stale smoke from a smoldering fire. Your coal base may not be large enough to burn the sticks your feeding it or it could be lack of intake air. What are you cooking on? |
i use the same smoker bludawg has pictured so how much coal do i need to have a clean burn i had a chimney full |
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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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| BluDawg wrote: | I burn Oak all the time in my CG I start out with about a 1/4 bag of RO lump and 2 splits and blast it with the weed torch for about 5 min and leave the FB open until I get a good clean burn on the Oak then very slowly close it slammming the lid can blow out the flame until the heat build up. I let it burn for about an Hr before I start cooking to get the steel hot this helps with a clean burn and establish a good bed of coals. I pre heat mine on top of the FB they are usually already burning by the time I need to add it.
 | hmm ok the only thing i can see is 1.i did not pre heat them 2. did not leave the Firebox open for a while 3. i let it get to about 250 and put the meat on so probly not enough time for the wood to burn clean |
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k.a.m. BBQ Mega Star

Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 26020 Location: Southeast Texas.
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Texml, how much fresh intake air did you give the wood? A full chimney of lit charcoal can easily push a small cooker like that to 250° but add a piece of wood to the mix with to little air and it will smolder. Another thing to consider is the wood source some wood just does not burn well. I have had Oak splits that I have pulled from my firebox because they smoldered and wood not burn properly. I start my back yard offset pretty much like Dawg starting with a fully lit chimney of charcoal and two 1/2 splits of wood. ( my back yard cooker runs well with splits about 3" diam. x 12" long.) I let the cooker get to 250° and then adjust my intakes down a bit. The cooker warms for about 30 min. to 45 min. when I add my second run of wood and when she is stable I add my meat. On long cooks such as pork Butts and briskets I will replenish my coal base with lit charcoal or lump instead of a split of wood about half way through the cook.
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BluDawg BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 2071 Location: Jonesboro,Tx.
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I cook a little hotter also 275-300 normally. another problem may be in the fire box it's self, not allowing enough room for air circulation under and around the fire. I made a log rack for mine with some 1" angle iron cut 12.5" and a 12X24 piece of expanded. this positions the base of the fire at the center of the Air intake and allow for the Ash pan to be removed if needed during a cook if it fills up( burning splits produces minimal ash)
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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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Posted: Oct 13 2012 Post subject: |
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| BluDawg wrote: | I cook a little hotter also 275-300 normally. another problem may be in the fire box it's self, not allowing enough room for air circulation under and around the fire. I made a log rack for mine with some 1" angle iron cut 12.5" and a 12X24 piece of expanded. this positions the base of the fire at the center of the Air intake and allow for the Ash pan to be removed if needed during a cook if it fills up( burning splits produces minimal ash)
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thats a good idea i made a fire box for when i was using charcoal i think ill pick up some angle and make some thing like that thanks |
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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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Posted: Oct 13 2012 Post subject: |
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| k.a.m. wrote: | Texml, how much fresh intake air did you give the wood? A full chimney of lit charcoal can easily push a small cooker like that to 250° but add a piece of wood to the mix with to little air and it will smolder. Another thing to consider is the wood source some wood just does not burn well. I have had Oak splits that I have pulled from my firebox because they smoldered and wood not burn properly. I start my back yard offset pretty much like Dawg starting with a fully lit chimney of charcoal and two 1/2 splits of wood. ( my back yard cooker runs well with splits about 3" diam. x 12" long.) I let the cooker get to 250° and then adjust my intakes down a bit. The cooker warms for about 30 min. to 45 min. when I add my second run of wood and when she is stable I add my meat. On long cooks such as pork Butts and briskets I will replenish my coal base with lit charcoal or lump instead of a split of wood about half way through the cook.
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i started with int. and exh. wide open till it got up to temp then went int. about half and ext wide open . to hold the temp it could have been the splits they are hard to come by around here unless you want to splurge and buy a cord of apple Thanks for all the help |
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BluDawg BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 2071 Location: Jonesboro,Tx.
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Never choke your exhaust to control the pit temp control it with the size of the fire and the intake air. choking down the exhaust allow the smoke to back up into the fire box in these small pits rather quickly reducing the oxygen to the fire. This causes the fire to burn dirty creating creosote and thick white smoke a sure sing that the fire is being starved for air. The less smoke you see the cleaner the burn the better the flavor. _________________ Never met a cow that I didn't like with a little salt and pepper.
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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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Posted: Oct 13 2012 Post subject: |
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ok thanks for all the help guys im gong to take all the tips i got from you guys and try the brisket
but would it be better to just buy the cord of apple and use it instead of the oak ?? |
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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You are a grown man you can buy what you like, and Apple will be a milder wood, (I really like cooking with Apple, but if I was in your shoes, the first thing I would do would be another cook with what you have to see if the combined information has helped your technique enough to give you better, less bitter food.
A pack of chicken leg quarters from WalMart is about $7.00, a cord of wood can be $120 or more, so try one more cook first and perhaps save the other $113 for something else you need, or want!  _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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Texml

Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Pueblo, Co
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| SoEzzy wrote: | You are a grown man you can buy what you like, and Apple will be a milder wood, (I really like cooking with Apple, but if I was in your shoes, the first thing I would do would be another cook with what you have to see if the combined information has helped your technique enough to give you better, less bitter food.
A pack of chicken leg quarters from WalMart is about $7.00, a cord of wood can be $120 or more, so try one more cook first and perhaps save the other $113 for something else you need, or want!  | LOL true
i like the flavor apple gives, oak on the other hand this is my first run with ill try some pulled pork tonight and see if it comes out any better, i have NEVER smoked a single piece of chicken that i liked it just never taste good im sure it something im doing wrong since most of my smoking is pork and brisket experience ( and wood round here is expensive half a cord runs 200 delivered that's why i'm trying the oak i can get it for 17 cents a pound LOL) thanks ezzy |
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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Run your cooker at 300° or even 325 or 350°, keep the fire hot and the cooker too.
Much better to cook chicken a little hotter. IMO! _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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