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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: How to get a long, slow burn in Smokin pro w/firebox Reply with quote

Hey all, been a stalker of this site for about a year now. I just got a Smokin Pro with side firebox for fathers day and am planning on doing an 11 pound brisket on it for holiday Monday. Just wondering how to get a long slow burn with this grill. I figure that I will have to start the brisket early in the a.m. and want to be able to start it and be able to leave for a couple of hours before checking it again (in other words, go back to sleep) Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately that probably isn,t going to happen with an offset wood burner. I have to add a new stick about every 15-20 minutes or it will get too cool . If you are using charcoal it may be possible but I doubt it. More knowlegeable folk may be able to tell you different as I would like to know myself.
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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: Re: How to get a long, slow burn in Smokin pro w/firebox Reply with quote

brewsterb wrote:
want to be able to start it and be able to leave for a couple of hours before checking it again (in other words, go back to sleep) Any suggestions?


Yeah...Don't.

It's a BBQ pit...not a RONCO "Set it and forget it".

An offset of that size and type needs to burn a small, clean fire which requires some tending in order to achieve good results.

Making a large fuel, "cold" smoldering(albeit long burning)in such a small firebox is a reciepe for bitter, oversmoked meat. There's NO WAY to only get a thin blue whisp of smoke from such a fire. The reason for this has as much to do with the size of the exhaust stack, as it does the amount of fuel. Too much fuel+too little air circulation=creosote.

The LONGEST I leave the scene is one hour...and that's with my large pit, which is a different animal. When using my smaller Brinkman or NB is 30-45 max.
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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can low-n-slow with your Smokin' Pro, you just gotta make some small modifications:

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Mattbastard750/IMG_0196.jpg

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Mattbastard750/IMG_0197.jpg
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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chargrillers are like a Used corvette not quite the speed demon they once where but still require high octane and some tinkering to work properly. In other words it's a stick burner not a charcoal grill. I have many years cooking on mine and have done a few things to get the performance up to snuff for what it is I still have to feed it a stick every 45 min to maintain 270 on the grate.
If you want to do a few mods that will get it working better with what it came with PM me.
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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mattbastard please read PMPNLT650pxOTLS!
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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey everyone, thanks for the replies. Looks like its going to be a long day but hopefully well worth it. I will let you all know how it all turns out.
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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a charcoal basket in the smok'n pro I use to have and about 4-5 hrs was doing good on a load of charcoal but even knowing this I could never do more than a 2hr nap because with the CG you just never know for sure how long of a burn you'll get.

Mattbastard that is one of the more creative mods I think I've ever seen on a CG,
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PostPosted: Jul 02 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Smoker wrote:
Mattbastard that is one of the more creative mods I think I've ever seen on a CG,


Thanks. Sorry bout' the size.

I got to thinking, heat rises, and my last rack of spare ribs went through about 10lbs of charcoal, so why not put the heat source under the chamber being heated? A few sheets of 18ga steel and a few TIG rods later and there she is. Oh, I also converted it to gas. That firebox design isn't good for charcoal. I put the burner under a small cast iron pan where I put the wood chunks. Works great.
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Mattbastard, what are your mods for the lid? I thought I had seen all of the CG mods but people come up with new stuff all the time. Looks like a lockable latch (gotta keep the meat safe) and angle iron riveted to the sides? I have been wanting to do the angle iron but was going to put it inside the lid. Your way looks easier.
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

brewsterb: I have had decent results using a brinkmann SNP with a charcoal / small split mix.
I start with a chimney of half hot coals and put it in the fire box.
I will then allow the smoker to heat up and once up to temp, I slide the hot coals towards the cooking chamber. Then add another layer (1 1/2 coals thick) of unlit coals and it will burn like the minion method. I then will add a small split of wood on top of the coals.
I get about 1 hour of burn time before adding more charcoal.

I'm not sure if your model has openings on each side of the cooking chamber, if so use a couple balls of foil to close them up.
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks 82 for the suggestion. I think, unknowingly I kind of did the same thing with my lump charcoal. I was up early this morning (4am) and found that once I got my cooker up to temp it was pretty easy to regulate and I just kept adding the charcoal every hour or hour and a half. This was my first attempt with my Smokin Pro and I am very impressed at how easy it is to regulate temp compared to what I cooked on last. My brisket is about an hour away from coming off but I don't think I will be able to wait the 2 hours of rest time before I test it out - I will try and give it at least an hour. I am using this attempt as a trial run for next week when we are hosting a bunch of friends for dinner and I will be sure to plan a little bit better to allow for rest time, etc.

Stay tuned for results of my first brisket.
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sfhellwig wrote:
Hey Mattbastard, what are your mods for the lid? I thought I had seen all of the CG mods but people come up with new stuff all the time. Looks like a lockable latch (gotta keep the meat safe) and angle iron riveted to the sides? I have been wanting to do the angle iron but was going to put it inside the lid. Your way looks easier.


Thanks for the inquiry. I figured all the time and effort I put into my mods warranted its own post so:

http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59077&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
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PostPosted: Jul 04 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is why even some diehard stick burners now own one or more UDS (Ugly Drum Smoker). Charcoal and wood, get it started, and if you build the fire and set the vents right, after 12 hours the temp might drift 5-10 degrees. Wink
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PostPosted: Jul 04 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not everyone has the ability to have a uds or the more expensive smokers for various reasons. That's why it's nice to get advice on the ones we can get.
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PostPosted: Jul 04 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a CG to. I have not done the mods on it yet other than having built a fire basket for it out of expanded metal. The original wire tray that came with it finally gave up so my brother-in-law and I put the basket together. Now I load it up with charcoal and wood chunks and it burns really nice for well over an hour. I place a few lit coals in one corner of the box and let it burn Minion style.
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I place a few lit coals in one corner of the box and let it burn Minion style.

I used to do the same after I got my charcoal basket which I still think helps more than any mod on the CG. The basket will help keep your fuel tighter packed which allows the fuel to burn slower because it doesn't spread out all over reduceing the amount of surface exposed to the airflow. I would fill the basket full leaving only the front left corner empty then dump about 1/2 lit chimney into the corner that way the fire burns toward the vent. This pic shows my old CG with the mods and of course the charcoal basket isn't expanded metal.

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PostPosted: Jul 05 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

feldon30 wrote:
This thread is why even some diehard stick burners now own one or more UDS (Ugly Drum Smoker). Charcoal and wood, get it started, and if you build the fire and set the vents right, after 12 hours the temp might drift 5-10 degrees. Wink


...and if you set it WRONG, you ruin whatever is in it.

Not sure what the fascination with the whole "set it and forget it" Lazy-Q style is.

As a beginner...one should learn the basics of fire control/smoke management, flavor profiles and time management.

The "pleasure" of BBQ is not necessarily the finished product but the process of getting there.

Building a fire, throwing a chunk of meat on, then fast forwarding 12 hrs doesn't seem any more of a challenge then just throwing it in an oven.

I ENJOY sitting out with a few "cold ones" on a nice day tending a rig and listening to some music. So I need to lift a lid and toss a split in every 45 min or so...NOT arduous labor. It's a nice change of pace from the every day routine.
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I don't know about you Strangelove but I have other things to do at times besides babysitting a fire. A UDS is a tool no better or know worse than a techno digital temp controller. As long as my BBQ tastes great I could care less. Now lets get back on topic.
I fail to understand why folks buy a Stick burner and try to run it on charcoal and can't figure out "WHY CAN"T I GET THIS UP TO *** TEMP"? It's akin to buying a Shinny New Corvette and trying to run it on Regular gas, then complaining that it is a POS and runs terrible.
Horizional Pits should come with a warning " MFG RECOMMENDS WOOD AS THE FUEL SOURCE FOR THIS PIT"
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PostPosted: Jul 05 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BluDawg wrote:
I don't know about you Strangelove but I have other things to do at times besides babysitting a fire.

Horizional Pits should come with a warning " MFG RECOMMENDS WOOD AS THE FUEL SOURCE FOR THIS PIT"


Actually I BBQ on "off" days.

This is 180deg from my "day job" so although I do it mostly for pleasure...I do get paid for it when catering a few events during the short summer.

The only charcoal I burn is the first chimney...then after that it's all wood. Works great, and the only problem I have is keeping the temp DOWN.

If it's all about the meat, then by all means...run out and buy a Ronco pit and enjoy the fruits of your "labor"!

As far as "lets get back on topic"...The TOPIC(according to the OP) is "How to get a long, slow burn in Smokin pro w/firebox", not the merits of the UDS.

So to that end...AGAIN...there are shortcuts, take them if you wish, but realize that the occasional flare-up, wind shift etc...gone untoticed can ruin a cooker full of meat very quickly.

Oh...and if your new 'vette has a problem running on "regular" gas...you've got bigger issues than the fuel in the tank. Octane ratings refer to the amount of energy needed to ignite the fuel, not the power potential of the fuel itself. The only thing you MAY notice is a little more ping, and if you're REALLY attuned to fuel economy...that 1% loss in MPG.
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