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frankncali
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PostPosted: Jun 07 2012    Post subject: Chicken Reply with quote

What cooking method do you use for chicken?

Cooked whole? Halved? Qrts? pieces?

Do you brine? inject?


I have smoked several different ways but really havent figured out my preferred way yet. Going to do some experiments upcoming and am looking for some ideas or tips to try.

Best tasting I have made I brined whole birds about 12 hours and then spatchcocked them. Used a slightly sugared rub and also mixed some rub with butter and shoved some under the skin.
Did same method again and didnt get same results.

Whats your preferred method?
How do you hold for service?
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PostPosted: Jun 07 2012    Post subject: Re: Chicken Reply with quote

frankncali wrote:
What cooking method do you use for chicken?

Cooked whole? Halved? Qrts? pieces?

Do you brine? inject?


I have smoked several different ways but really havent figured out my preferred way yet. Going to do some experiments upcoming and am looking for some ideas or tips to try.

Best tasting I have made I brined whole birds about 12 hours and then spatchcocked them. Used a slightly sugared rub and also mixed some rub with butter and shoved some under the skin.
Did same method again and didnt get same results.

Whats your preferred method?
How do you hold for service?


I do half birds in the smoker. Being connected with skin on helps keep the breast meat moist. Although I love to brine, I cant brine all the meat I need to feed a crowd, so I rub and smoke. But my smoker has a steaming element so its still moist. I finish on a grill with mop sauce and hold in pans under foil on the side of the grill if demand slows. I also keep catering boxes close at hand and will move to the box if I have to. It will hold temp for several hours in there. Hope you get more replies, i would like to know how others do it as well.
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PostPosted: Jun 07 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being you posted your question in the "catering" section, I assume you are asking for feeding the masses??

If that is the case, I would order my chickens cut 8/1 (1 chicken cut into 8 pcs) and could order how many I needed (did not have to buy them by the case). this was through my wholesale butcher shop.

To cook whole birds and then try to cut them into pcs would be very time consuming as well as VERY messy (think juices going everywhere). This is especially true if you have other meat(s) to slice prior to service.

Prep is dipping the pcs of chicken in oil, placing on sheet pan until I have a full layer then season..repeat for 2-3 layers then load onto smoker.

I have done this for as many as 1800 guests. The great thing about chicken is you can crank the heat up and cook in about an hour.

When done, place in pans and into cambro.

Here is another "trick"...If you pan and foil, DO NOT foil tightly (leave one end with a vent for steam to escape). If you do foil tight, the chicken will "sweat" and you will have about 1"-2" of ugly grey/black (from the smoke on the meat) juice in the bottom of your pan.

Also, if you do own a cabro, pop the seal (little cap on the front) off she the steam can escape.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Jun 08 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i cook chicken, i use halves and set up a cement block cooker, our racks are designed to hold a case ( 32 halves ), we dry rub then onto . a hot fire, flipping every 5 minutes and spraying with water (spray bottles)the entire cooking time ( 2 hours ). i know its not smoked, but we do 8 to 10 large cooks per season, and sell out 10 cases each time.....cj
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PostPosted: Jun 08 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys

Geronimo -- I asked here and was going to place in General and commercial spot as well but decided not to place it all over. I have found I get good prompt opinions here and on the commercial forum and yes mostly I am looking for tips for feeding larger crowds.

I agree about labor but wondered if using the cut chicken causes any extra moisture loss.

I watched a program with Alton Brown on the other night and was surprised that he said adding water pan or cooking in a more moist environment didn't keep any moisture in longer.
I guess I believe him being I have boiled some chicken to long and it was dry.

Brining has always been a curiosity of mine. My first real job I worked at Churchs Chicken and we placed chicken in brine overnight. Always wondered exactly what was in there. I have not sure if it made a huge difference of not.
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PostPosted: Jun 08 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankncali wrote:
Thanks guys

Geronimo --

I agree about labor but wondered if using the cut chicken causes any extra moisture loss.


Brining has always been a curiosity of mine. My first real job I worked at Churchs Chicken and we placed chicken in brine overnight. Always wondered exactly what was in there. I have not sure if it made a huge difference of not.


No, cut up chicken does not lose any more moisture than any other way of cooking chicken. But I should add that you can cook the moisture out of the best cut of meat if you cook it long enough.

Brine is ok but for large crowds is a PITA...ESPECIALLY if you don't have a commercial (or very large) refer to hold it in
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PostPosted: Jun 22 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geronimo wrote:

Prep is dipping the pcs of chicken in oil, placing on sheet pan until I have a full layer then season..repeat for 2-3 layers then load onto smoker.


Is dunking the pieces in oil a common practice? I have to do 125 thighs tomorrow afternoon and I am intrigued by this idea. I was just planning on seasoning them tonight and then into the fridge until tomorrow. Also, do you always season just prior to the pieces going into the cookers Geronimo? What is your thought on seasoning the night before? Finally, I will be cooking on my Lang. Do you suggest skin side up or down?
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PostPosted: Jun 22 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Geronimo wrote:

Prep is dipping the pcs of chicken in oil, placing on sheet pan until I have a full layer then season..repeat for 2-3 layers then load onto smoker.


Is dunking the pieces in oil a common practice? I have to do 125 thighs tomorrow afternoon and I am intrigued by this idea. I was just planning on seasoning them tonight and then into the fridge until tomorrow. Also, do you always season just prior to the pieces going into the cookers Geronimo? What is your thought on seasoning the night before? Finally, I will be cooking on my Lang. Do you suggest skin side up or down?


Seasoning the night before is a waste of time IMO. I done hundreds of pieces of chicken at catering jobs and always oil/season right before going into the smoker.

I also cook skin side up so the smoke/heat roll over the skin leaving a nice brown slightly crisp skin.

I am not sure if oiling the pieces is common practice or not although I don't know many that do it this way and then complain the skin is rubbery. Shocked

When I "dipped" the chicken in the oil, I would simply put about 2"-3" of oil in the large bowl then (carefully) dump the chicken in the oil, mix around then pull out one piece at a time and place on sheet pan. When I got a layer on the sheet pan then I would season it. (usually my helper would do the seasoning as my hands were messy.) Then repeat until I had 3-4 layers then move over to smoker and load into smoker one piece at a time.
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PostPosted: Jun 22 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info Geronimo, I'm going to give your method a try. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Jun 24 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried lots of different ways to do chicken and what I do now is to buy 2 - 2 1/2 # fresh fryers from my meat guy and have him cut in 1/2 and keep the backbone. Dealing with 1/2 a chicken is much easier. After they car cooked I pull and then break down the chicken into leg/thigh and two breast pieces which gives me 8 pieces per chicken and the guests a choice of dark or white meat. For me the key that makes this work is the smaller chickens, once I didn't notice that the chickens were larger, over 3# and they took a long time to cook.

I figure that I same labor and gladly pay the butcher to do the cutting since the cost difference is almost nothing.
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PostPosted: Jun 25 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

PorkQPine wrote:
I've tried lots of different ways to do chicken and what I do now is to buy 2 - 2 1/2 # fresh fryers from my meat guy and have him cut in 1/2 and keep the backbone. Dealing with 1/2 a chicken is much easier. After they car cooked I pull and then break down the chicken into leg/thigh and two breast pieces which gives me 8 pieces per chicken and the guests a choice of dark or white meat. For me the key that makes this work is the smaller chickens, once I didn't notice that the chickens were larger, over 3# and they took a long time to cook.

I figure that I same labor and gladly pay the butcher to do the cutting since the cost difference is almost nothing.


I found the same thing having my butcher do ALL the cutting. Wink
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PostPosted: Jun 30 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use 2 3/4 pound whole birds, brine - then dry rub as I put on smoker for 2.5 hrs - quarter them on a full sheep pan for the mess - takes about 15 seconds per bird, then pour the drippings back over cut portions....whatever leg/thighs fall apart are for the kids portions, I usually only quarter but keep a knife handy for those who may want a smaller portion.
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