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smootz
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17 12 8:03 am    Post subject: Sophomore build - 170 gallon Reply with quote

How do you get a 170 gallon propane tank?

Start with a 330 and take out 160 Very Happy


DSCF0390 by jsmootz, on Flickr

I've got a 500 RF near done and a UDS completed. I thought I would try a mid size. (It worked for Goldielocks)

I know it's silly but this thing just screams for a pink paint job and a curly tail. Cool


DSCF0391 by jsmootz, on Flickr
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17 12 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smootz, I'm liking the paint idea already. Very Happy
Are you gonna try the clamshell lid on this?
If it's a wait and see, thats understandable. I thought it was a good idea, I'm anxious to see how that would work.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17 12 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The plan is clam shell. We'll see how that goes. If the lid works out I want to make a "lift out" tray that is shaped like the tank to get full use of space. The dimensions are 60" long x 30" diameter. I have a 52" x 30" section that I cut out. I am TRYING to ignore it for now. Rolling Eyes

Never "wait and see". That would take the panel of valued advisers out of the mix.

Nice thing about this one is no client involved. Smile

One goal is simplicity. I think I can eliminate some of the traditional trappings and still stay functional. Maybe - maybe not.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17 12 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smootz, I'm loving the idea. Very Happy
The only thing I can say is try to leave the "extra"piece alone, for now.(I'm sure it will be something later.) Wink
And I just can't see you and simple together. Shocked
Don't take that the wrong way, your attention to detail won't let you walk away at "close enough".
Looking forward to following this build. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18 12 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the little guy....should make a very functional rig.....if you need a tail i have a piece of ss auger i used as my legs...you are welcome to it if you think it will work Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18 12 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far - so good. Everything stayed straight.


DSCF0396 by jsmootz, on Flickr

"Simulated" open position.


DSCF0401 by jsmootz, on Flickr

Nominal tray size - 60" long x 30" deep x 15" tall. How big a pig will that hold?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18 12 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats close to the size of my grate and Ive done 140lb pigs with no problems cant wait to see how your lid turns out looks great so far
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18 12 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smootz. it look's like you subarc'd that end back on. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18 12 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blazer wrote:
Smootz. it look's like you subarc'd that end back on. Very Happy


Now you did it! One of us is going to have to explain "subarc" to the youngsters here. Smile

I accidentally discovered a neat trick on the cut. I sliced it right next to the factory weld. I cut just barely deep enough to get through the shell but not enough to cut the backing ring. After shortening the tank the cap "plugged" perfectly in and the backing ring let me burn really hot. (but not subarc) Wink Of course you propane tank cutting vets probably already knew how to do that.


BTW - Maniac, Thanks for the "pig tail" offer. I'm not sure how this is going to work out yet but I'll keep that in mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18 12 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smootz. I can do that but that would be better taken up on the welding side. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29 12 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a little time to play on the clam shell. Lots of this is temporary so don't be too harsh on me.


DSCF0402 by jsmootz, on Flickr

Axle is a touch wider than I wanted but it is close enough for an "off the shelf".


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31 12 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter weights - grate - handle


DSCF0406 by jsmootz, on Flickr


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Tires - wheels - jack - burners coming.

Still considering the "pink pig" paint.


DSCF0413 by jsmootz, on Flickr

If this continues to work out there are four more little piggies and one sow to follow.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31 12 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smootz as usual NICE Exclamation i love your thinking out of the box. Your wide axle looks good...it makes your eye follow the shell. great detail on the grate Very Happy The counter weights incorporated in the hinge is Cool Can't wait till the next step.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31 12 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smootz, the cooker looks great. Very Happy
Cut them lift tabs off and use em for ears. Wink
Where did you get the burners from, if you don't mind me asking?
Looking forward to updates. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01 12 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GF wrote:

Where did you get the burners from, if you don't mind me asking?
Very Happy


Working on a design with a Michigan company called Burnersinc. They seem to have the experience to make these safe and efficient. Stay tuned.

I know the gas idea is sacrilege on this forum but I am aiming at a little different market. If it fails I can always hang a firebox on the front (AKA DP Clone).

The clam shell is everything I hoped for. It is smooth and solid. I am not sure how much heat will be lost when opened but the propane should give quick recovery. That may not be the case if I were using a wood fire box. Real "wood" guys may be happier with a more conventional design. Also would be more pain in the keester in a shop without lifting apparatus.

A lift out tray utilizes all the space and is quick to build vs. slides. Loaded tray may require two people to lift in and out but with full access should not need to remove to tend during cook.

I have several of these tanks and a good sized drop from each that will probably be pretty well suited for wood burners.

For now the whole cooker deal is something to do during "off-peak" hours in the shop. I am sort of astounded by the local interest. If they make money they will gain importance and my attention.

BTW - I am a farm boy. Those lifting lugs would look more like field mouse than a pig. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01 12 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smootz, I think the only problem with gas is most people don't include the two key words you used, "safe and efficient".
Like most things, people mostly want quick and easy, doesn't work well sometimes. Rolling Eyes
Sorry about the tab ears, I think I drove by a farm once. Embarassed
Good luck with it, looking forward to seeing where this ends up. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01 12 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GF wrote:

Good luck with it, looking forward to seeing where this ends up. Very Happy


Hopefully in someone else's driveway! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15 12 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Havn't done much - shop has been too busy to allow me to play with cookers but I did get a little done.

Got the correct tires mounted, spring shackles and bolts changed out, exhaust vents, and intake vents.


DSCF0460 by jsmootz, on Flickr


DSCF0461 by jsmootz, on Flickr

The nipples in the bottom look like ------- uh ------- nipples. I might have to make this a "sow" rather than a "piglet". Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15 12 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the nipples for?air intakes?what are you doing for the gas burners?sounds like not your everyday pipe burner.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15 12 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daddywoofdawg wrote:
What are the nipples for?air intakes?what are you doing for the gas burners?sounds like not your everyday pipe burner.


The burner is a "T" type specially designed for this particular roaster. It looks like a lot of air to me but I am following the recommendations of the engineer. He says forget about how wood stoves and smokers are controlled. Evidently propane requires plenty of secondary intake. Flame is adjusted by primary air (venturi) and temp by tuning the exhaust. We'll see - this is a prototype.
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