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Do the members of this forum want me to apply the rules as I see fit
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Only it it affects other members, not these voters
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Do the members of this forum Reply with quote

Want me to apply the posted rules as I see fit?

A MODERATORS DECISION IS FINAL.

If you are moderated, live with it and move on.
Challenging the moderator in public will not be tolerated and can lead very quickly to being banned.
Whining, pissing and moaning to the admin will get you no where, so don't bother.
When you are moderated for an infraction or infringement, you may or may not receive a PM as to why.
If it was a blatant infringement, it will be deleted with no notice.
If not, it is acceptable to send a civil note to the moderators requesting the reason.
We won't send messages for general scrubbing or cleanup caused by unacceptable posts.


CLOSING A THREAD

Threads are usually closed due to being offensive.
If a closed thread bothers you, start a new one.
If it is a good thread then great.
If it is just to complain about a closed thread or to restart a thread that was out of bounds then expect it to be closed or deleted again.
Any user that keeps carrying on about a particular closed thread will run the risk of being banned.


BOTTOM LINE

Moderators and Admins, do this job to the best of our ability.
Please keep in mind we are human.
We try to moderate based on our rules, and not a threads content or a posters thread count.

Here's a concept to consider. What is easier?

A- Keeping everyone happy
B- Keeping the majority happy

Statistically, B is attainable. That's how we moderate. Moderate a post, one person gets mad, don't moderate it and a whole demographic can be affected.

We have to look at the big picture.
I personally have moderated many posts that I agreed with, liked, laughed at or enjoyed, but just it did not fall within our guidelines, or crossed the line.
We have to follow our own rules even if we agree with or like the post.

Thank you for your support of The Smoke Ring catering Forum.

Here is a list of things that will get you into the bad books.


1. Posting derogatory comments of a racial, religious, or sexual nature.
This includes in your username, signature line, and title.
Administrator and Moderator reserve the right to edit these items and to remove your ability to modify them in the future.

2. Excessive profanity. Occasional slight profane comments usually slide, but lets try to keep them to a minimum.
Overly excessive words may be deleted by the moderators, (if that means your post doesn't make sense it's not our fault).

3. Posting pictures or links to images which contain pornography, nudity+, animal cruelty, racism, illegal activities, or sexism.
Posts with images of violence or photos of scantly clad men or women should contain a warning in the title.
Remember that some people visit this website through a work computer, which can filter and/or view downloaded files.
These types of images will not be tolerated if inserted at random in other discussions.
Nudity includes any photo which contains a clear view of genitalia or female nipples.
The rule is simple - No Lips/No Nips. If any links or threads are to contain such photographs the generally accepted warning is to type 33% in the title.

4. Posting comments or links in support of illegal activities including, but not limited to, threats against the life of any living person, doing harm to a state or federal official, downloading illegal software/piracy, or advocating the overthrow of the government.

5. Posting of someone else's personal contact information (home phone numbers, home addresses, unpublished e-mail addresses, and the like).
A person can post their own information if they wish.

6. Repeatedly attacking or insulting a person in an effort to elicit a negative response.
You have a right to disagree, but please do so in a respectful manner, if you wouldn't like what you write written about you, DON'T POST IT about someone else.

7. Posting topics or discussions with the desire to do the site or community harm.
More specifically creating topics meant to disrupt the site's day to day management, disrupt member's resources, or disrupt the ability for the site to function normally.
Yes this will include topics on politics and religion also.

8. Links to other message boards, other message board threads, or entire discussions about other message boards.
This is old fashioned "internet forum etiquette". General examples are spamming for a new message board or the ever popular "board war".

9. Please do not write thread titles or entire message in ALL CAPS. Usually if a subject is posted in all caps, it will be changed to all lower case.
Messages in all caps will result in a logged user infraction.

10. Off Topic is the place where non BBQ discussion is allowed. Other discussion will "not" include politics or religion.
You will not be allowed to post links to sites that will provoke discussions concerning politics or religion.
I am sure there are other things that might become off limits as well, but for now we are asking you to use common sense.
If something is out of line the moderators will delete it and you will be warned.

11. The Smoke Ring Forum is a privately owned forum and membership is a privilege not a right.
Blatant disrespect and hostility towards any member of the Smoke Ring may result in an immediate and permanent banning.
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but could you please tell me

JM2C, BWTFDIK, YMMV, MDN! Wink

What the heck MDN stands for?
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

animal wrote:


What the heck MDN stands for?


Mine does not
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ has it spot on!
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been mod or super mod on several boards and it takes more time than probably anybody else will ever know. I think you have been doing great wear your kid gloves at times and bouncing people as you see fit. No problems as far as I can see.
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I support the moderators ability to enforce the forum rules as he sees fit...as long as the enforcement is applied evenly to all, even one's clients.

I don't post on this forum nearly as much as I used to, for a variety of reasons, but still visit it frequently. The fact that this thread originates in the Catering section speaks volumes as to where the problems and problem children lie.

Good Luck Chris!
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:
I support the moderators ability to enforce the forum rules as he sees fit...as long as the enforcement is applied evenly to all, even one's clients.


Would you like to be more explicit that you think SoEzzy shows favoritism because of a conflict of interest or does implying it satisfy you?

I believe this is the kind of thing that would have had more impact had you sent a politely worded PM, giving examples and letting him think it through. Calling someone out in public on an ethical matter (especially in a backhanded way) is not likely to lead to careful consideration of your position

On a personal level, I can say that I've had a few (not many) run ins with the moderator and I've found him to be fairminded in his dealings with me. I don't invest as much of my emotional energy as some of you apparently do in posting and responding in an open forum, so maybe that has something to do with it as well.
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got no beef with your moderations. If I offend someone, and I'm sure I have, I would prefer to know about it so that I have the satisfaction of knowing that my point got through.JK Very Happy Shocked Cool
In all seriousness, I have been offended by comments and I'm sure I have offended some but I value this site and have a tremendous amount of respect for those who post and those who moderate. Some are better at making suggestions, without offending, than others but in the end knowledge is generally shared. I almost quit this site a while back because of some bashing but I'm glad I kept with it because I learn something every time I visit. Besides, how stupid would I be to allow an egomaniac to keep me from the information I need to be better at what I do. Keep up the good work. Moderate away!
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PostPosted: Feb 15 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:
The fact that this thread originates in the Catering section speaks volumes as to where the problems and problem children lie.

Good Luck Chris!


Could it possibly be because the catering section is the most frequented section of the forum??? Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Feb 16 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

People need to be thicker skinned? Or do some people with thicker heads need to knock off the poop-flinging and cyber-stalking?
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PostPosted: Feb 16 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Nutczak wrote:
People need to be thicker skinned? Or do some people with thicker heads need to knock off the poop-flinging and cyber-stalking?


Probably about 50/50 Harry!
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PostPosted: Feb 16 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoEzzy wrote:
Harry Nutczak wrote:
People need to be thicker skinned? Or do some people with thicker heads need to knock off the poop-flinging and cyber-stalking?


Probably about 50/50 Harry!


I'd say we'd do better if everyone would give 100/100.
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PostPosted: Feb 16 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Nutczak wrote:
People need to be thicker skinned? Or do some people with thicker heads need to knock off the poop-flinging and cyber-stalking?


Some people just make visiting this place a headache on a regular basis.

It's not about being thick or thin skinned.
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PostPosted: Feb 16 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAllen wrote:
Harry Nutczak wrote:
People need to be thicker skinned? Or do some people with thicker heads need to knock off the poop-flinging and cyber-stalking?


Some people just make visiting this place a headache on a regular basis.

It's not about being thick or thin skinned.


Since I signed up on this forum in 2005 (under another user name), I have sworn to (myself) to quit posting/lurking here more times than I can count. All because someone pissed me off or I got my feelings hurt or a number of other more personal reasons.

The fact is, I enjoy TSR and when we are ALL nice, polite and respectful to one another, it is a GREAT site and being part of it is enjoyable.

But in all reality, we have been asked/told to "turn the other cheek", "just ignore them", "just get along", etc since we were little kids and it seems we still need to be reminded of this as adults.

I for one enjoy reading others posts/threads and hope others enjoy reading mine. The posts/threads I don't enjoy, I ignore. (more so now days than in my past).

I guess what I am saying, we just need to get our head out of the sand and ignore the posts that we don't agree with or piss us off for what ever reason and move on to the ones we do enjoy reading/posting on....how hard is that???
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PostPosted: Feb 17 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poppa's PTL Club wrote:
I believe this is the kind of thing that would have had more impact had you sent a politely worded PM, giving examples and letting him think it through. Calling someone out in public on an ethical matter (especially in a backhanded way) is not likely to lead to careful consideration of your position
Thank you for your feedback...I'm digging the irony.
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PostPosted: Feb 17 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geronimo wrote:
Could it possibly be because the catering section is the most frequented section of the forum??? Shocked Shocked
I don't believe so Marv, the totals on the index page don't really bear that out.
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PostPosted: Feb 17 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:
I support the moderators ability to enforce the forum rules as he sees fit...as long as the enforcement is applied evenly to all, even one's clients.

Good Luck Chris!


I try to enforce the rules equally, there are public notifications, there are PM notifications, there are Email notification, and if I know you well enough to have your phone number there are phone notifications.

How many times do things happen behind the scenes? Lots!

Do some folks feel that a PM can be ignored as much as a Public warning? Yes some do, and when they suddenly find, (that by ignoring my suggestions of how they are expected to behave), they can get that public notification, to which they invariable moan that it should have happened in private. DUH!

There have been some times I will ask one member that is "respected" by a troubled member, (I am trying not to nail publicly, (for whatever reason)), and I've even had the messages I have passed through third party's ignored.

Then folks get the public warning or action taken against them.

I don't announce to the general membership, that someone has picked up a ban... unless it is for something that has begun to occur repeatedly, in which case I may "warn all" by warning "the one" in public!

I do the best I can, (to play on a level playing field), most of the time with the patience I have, those that choose to ignore hints or suggestions, appear to be the ones who often cry foul when the bigger stick comes out.

There are times I will ask both parties in a dispute to walk away, some times I only ask one side to walk away. But if people don't bring things to my attention directly, with a PM or Email, how can I deal with them?

If each voice on the smoke ring has as much weight to it's opinion as every other, how do you silence the dissenting voice, or should you even try to silence it, it may be dissenting from something that is a continued fiction, falsehood or outright lie.

These forums are here to attempt to get all sides of the argument and all points of view, as much as that is ever possible... some one recently said it would be so much better if we had a "sarcasm emoticom" and I do tend to agree with that thought.
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PostPosted: Feb 17 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:
Geronimo wrote:
Could it possibly be because the catering section is the most frequented section of the forum??? Shocked Shocked
I don't believe so Marv, the totals on the index page don't really bear that out.


Ok, 3rd most visited...but I was close!! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Feb 17 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having had a site many moons ago and worked as a mod on others, I can say it is a thankless job, expecially when members head south with their emotions so to speak. Most only see what happens out in the open but a lot goes on behind the scenes on most other sites as well. Only issue that I learned the hard way was not to get involved with a heated debate in the open as a mod or owner. That even if you are right brings down the level of the site.
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PostPosted: Feb 17 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wise words Grnmtn BBQ Chef. What's said has been said, what's done has been done and we've all embarrassed ourselves do the infinite degree. Time to lick our wounds and move on. Besides, someone has to say it..."can't we all just get along?" Embarassed
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