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yukoff BBQ Fan

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 391 Location: Newcastle, WA
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Posted: Jun 27 2011 Post subject: Brisket - select vs. choice |
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Every time i do brisket, it comes out dry, not sure if it's because of the way i cook it or if it's the quality of meat. Since I'm still practicing, i buy the cheap stuff - basically grocery store brisket, which is select. I follow all the directions by the book when cooking it.
My question is - how much of a diffference in the finished product will there be between using select and choice grade of brisket meat? _________________ Greg |
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Jarhead BBQ All Star

Joined: 11 Oct 2009 Posts: 7355 Location: Marionville, Home of the White Squirrels, Missouri
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Posted: Jun 27 2011 Post subject: |
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I've never cooked a select grade. I don't even know if you can find 'em around here.
I have read that the choice has better marbling and more fat content.
This being the case, choice will give you a more tender and better tasting brisket.
I like to give them the bend test before I buy them. Grab ahold of the point end and flop it around. If it is stiff, put it back and get another one. They should droop to about the 7 o'clock position.
Never had a bad one with this trick.
Good luck and take pics. _________________ Gunny 3073/4044/8411
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thsmoker BBQ Fan
Joined: 05 Nov 2008 Posts: 322 Location: NC
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Posted: Jun 27 2011 Post subject: |
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My first briskets were select. The result was rarely good. Since I have gone to choice, it is rarely bad. It is worth paying more for choice. It is a pretty lean cut of meat to start out with.
Jarhead -- Does the bend test still work well with cryovac? Seems like the bend depends a lot on how tightly they package it? |
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darylb BBQ Fan
Joined: 02 Jan 2010 Posts: 154
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Posted: Jun 27 2011 Post subject: |
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| We used to use select and splurged for the choice the last contest we did. The difference was night and day I thought. I dont know if it matters with all bbq meats but I really think it matters with brisket. |
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BluDawg BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 2071 Location: Jonesboro,Tx.
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Posted: Jun 27 2011 Post subject: |
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I prefer Choice however sometimes they are sold out and Ihave no choice but to go with a select. You can get a Select grade to turn out moist you just have to be smarter than a cow. The key is to inject it with a mixture of beef broth and canolla oil and Adolph's and use lower salt content in your rub.
I don't know where you buy your meat but I can get Choice in the local market most of the time, pork butt is a different matter in these parts. _________________ Never met a cow that I didn't like with a little salt and pepper.
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PhilQ BBQ Fan
Joined: 21 Oct 2010 Posts: 120 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Jun 28 2011 Post subject: |
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I've had the exact same problem and at this point will never by select beef period. I've wasted several large briskets and chuck rolls. Never had a bad choice product.
Sam's club carries choice brisket packers for a good price and other than that the only other place I've found in the Seattle area is Costco Biz center in Lynnwood. |
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yukoff BBQ Fan

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 391 Location: Newcastle, WA
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I was getting my brisket from Safeway, i'll try Sam's Club next. I didn't know they sell Choice, i thought it was Select too. _________________ Greg |
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PhilQ BBQ Fan
Joined: 21 Oct 2010 Posts: 120 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Jun 28 2011 Post subject: |
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Walmart carries select and probably even worse but Sam's I believe only carries choice. You'll notice a big difference.
While your at Sams check out the species made by Tones. I use the SW chipotle and goes really well on chicken and pork lion/tenderlion. |
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roxy BBQ All Star

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 9331 Location: Wasaga beach, Ontario
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Posted: Jun 28 2011 Post subject: |
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Briskets are not part of the grading process of beef so it is a toss up if the brisket will really be what the grade states..
I have not had that problem with brisket. I got to ask, are the crumbly when you cut them..?? If not, maybe they have not been cooked enough. Try wrapping in foil with a bit of liquid and letting them steam for an hour or two in a cooler. _________________ Chargriller Akorn
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Jarhead BBQ All Star

Joined: 11 Oct 2009 Posts: 7355 Location: Marionville, Home of the White Squirrels, Missouri
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| thsmoker wrote: | | Jarhead -- Does the bend test still work well with cryovac? Seems like the bend depends a lot on how tightly they package it? |
You can also put a slight amount of pressure on it.
I usually don't.
All of the briskets that I buy are in Cryovac packs. _________________ Gunny 3073/4044/8411
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BluDawg BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 2071 Location: Jonesboro,Tx.
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| PhilQ wrote: | | Walmart carries select and probably even worse but Sam's I believe only carries choice. You'll notice a big difference.. | The last brisket I bought came from Wal-mart packed by Excel and it was choice. Excel uses a color coding on their cryo look on the back side if it is a Black seal (Select) Blue seal (Choice)
| Quote: | | Briskets are not part of the grading process of beef so it is a toss up if the brisket will really be what the grade states |
Roxy I think up there in Maple Leaf Land they may have a different standard ehy, however here in the States all beef that is not ground must be inspected and graded by the USDA _________________ Never met a cow that I didn't like with a little salt and pepper.
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yukoff BBQ Fan

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 391 Location: Newcastle, WA
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Just got back from Issaquah Costco, they actually had 6# brisket flats for ~$3.40/lb. May give that a shot next time, while I trust Costco's meat more than C&C, they carry only the flat while C&C has the flat + point. _________________ Greg |
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tipsforBBQ Newbie

Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Posts: 49 Location: Utah
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Not all Costco's sell brisket, but the ones that do have choice. From my experience their flats are usually quite good. _________________ Rusty from TipsforBBQ.com |
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yukoff BBQ Fan

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 391 Location: Newcastle, WA
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Posted: Jul 10 2011 Post subject: |
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WOW what a world of a difference! I will never waste my time/money again on grocery store brisket. Did a 6# brisket yesterday from costco (stamped with USDA Choice) and it was amazing still today. And all this time i thought it was me that was the problem, changed the meat and turns out I'm actually dang good  _________________ Greg |
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Pit Boss BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 2362 Location: Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina
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Posted: Jul 10 2011 Post subject: |
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| BluDawg wrote: | | Roxy I think up there in Maple Leaf Land they may have a different standard ehy, however here in the States all beef that is not ground must be inspected and graded by the USDA |
Actually, a packer can opt out of the USDA grading procedure...but they can't use the gvmt labels either. For graded beef, you're exactly right. If it's stamped, it met with someone's eye and was graded. _________________ Somewhere in Kenya...a village is missing their idiot. |
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roxy BBQ All Star

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 9331 Location: Wasaga beach, Ontario
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Posted: Jul 10 2011 Post subject: |
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| Pit Boss wrote: | | BluDawg wrote: | | Roxy I think up there in Maple Leaf Land they may have a different standard ehy, however here in the States all beef that is not ground must be inspected and graded by the USDA |
Actually, a packer can opt out of the USDA grading procedure...but they can't use the gvmt labels either. For graded beef, you're exactly right. If it's stamped, it met with someone's eye and was graded. |
That is not what I was trying to say. When a side is inspected, not every cut gets eye time for the grading. _________________ Chargriller Akorn
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yukoff BBQ Fan

Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 391 Location: Newcastle, WA
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Posted: Jul 11 2011 Post subject: |
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| Pit Boss wrote: | | BluDawg wrote: | | Roxy I think up there in Maple Leaf Land they may have a different standard ehy, however here in the States all beef that is not ground must be inspected and graded by the USDA |
Actually, a packer can opt out of the USDA grading procedure...but they can't use the gvmt labels either. For graded beef, you're exactly right. If it's stamped, it met with someone's eye and was graded. |
Local butchers I see often carry non-graded beef, saying it's locally grown, grass fed, etc. etc. and is comparable to USDA prime. That's what they say, but i never wanted to try it given the high price tag. _________________ Greg |
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Tom C BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 1851 Location: N. California
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Posted: Jul 11 2011 Post subject: |
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I have posted on this topic before when I finally was able to have success with a brisket.
Out here in California (at least in my part of the state) anything but select is hard to find. I had just about given up on brisket because they always came out dry!
I finally was able to find a store that gets some Choice brisket flats from time to time. To date I have cooked three that I was able to get there. All of them came out great! One day I hope to be able to get my hands on a choice whole packer so I can try my hand at some burnt ends but for know I'm happy just to be able to get a good flat. Anyway, I can attest to the difference in grades of meat. _________________ Homemade offset smoker 24"x48"
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Johnds Newbie
Joined: 03 May 2011 Posts: 43
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Posted: Jul 11 2011 Post subject: |
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For a good whole packer brisket in Northern CA, go to Smart and Final. You'll probably find select, so pass it by and come back later. You'll eventually find choice in stock, so buy up all you can and freeze what you have to.
If your S&F doesn't cough up a choice brisket once in a while, find another S&F location.
Works for me, you have to be patient.
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Tom C BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 1851 Location: N. California
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| Johnds wrote: | For a good whole packer brisket in Northern CA, go to Smart and Final. You'll probably find select, so pass it by and come back later. You'll eventually find choice in stock, so buy up all you can and freeze what you have to.
If your S&F doesn't cough up a choice brisket once in a while, find another S&F location.
Works for me, you have to be patient.
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Thanks for the thought but the closest S&F is 2.5 hours to the south I would hate to do a hit and miss with a 5 hr. round trip. We do have a place called Cash & Carry which is close to the sme thing but I've never seen anything more than select grade. _________________ Homemade offset smoker 24"x48"
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