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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Brining Ribs ( baby backs) Reply with quote

Has anyone had success Brining baby backs and if so what type of brine do you use?

I have only ever rubbed my ribs and let them sit overnight, have only brined chicken and turkeys.

Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

1/4 cup salt
1/4 cup brown sugar
4 cups water

Don't brine for long, couple hours max depending on the size of the ribs.
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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

An article in Cook's Illustrated several years ago stated to use your favorite salt and sugar brine and cutting the salt to 1/4 of normal and sugar to 1/2. They recommended a short brine of 1 to 2 hours in the fridge.

Dry and rub the ribs and smoke as usual. I have done it and the ribs are noticeably more moist and tender.
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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say don't do it... last weekend I did enhanced ribs and didn't particularly care for them a little too salty
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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

slow&low wrote:
I would say don't do it... last weekend I did enhanced ribs and didn't particularly care for them a little too salty


That can happen with "enhanced" meat. You have no control over the amount of salt. Plain ol ribs and brine em. If you are going to dry rub em, cut back on the salt in the rub as the meat has absorbed some salt from the brine.

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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't recommend brining any pork as it is a fine line between a little seasoning and VERY HAMMY. Slather in worcestershire and apply your favorite rub and cook. Foil if you must and enjoy.
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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

BluDawg wrote:
I wouldn't recommend brining any pork...

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Wow. I brine every pork chop and roast I cook, and have never gotten too hammy. Different strokes, do what works for you, not arguing, etc, etc, etc. Just very different than my M.O.
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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with enhanced ribs is they've been sitting in saltwater for *days* which turns them mushy, plus phosphates which are not good eats.

I brine my pork chops and pork loin roasts for about 45 minutes to an hour before cooking. An un-brined pork chop is very easy to overcook. Briefly brining pork is like an insurance policy.

I don't brine ribs though as they get plenty of salt from sitting in BBQ rub for a few hours before going on the smoker, and when I foil the ribs, they get plenty of moisture.
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PostPosted: Jun 03 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I started brining pork chops it took them to the next level...now I always brine.
For ribs, in lieu of a brine I have marinated which added some flavor but doesn't seem to be worth the time especially if you foil.
For shoulder, I have brined a la Alton Brown, bit I didn't think it added anything. I inject the shoulder.
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PostPosted: Jun 04 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think pork is natural "salty" and a sugar/water brine might not hurt too much. I have no experience brining pork, but have heard of some doing pork loins with good results.
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PostPosted: Jun 09 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always brine boneless pork loin before smoke-roasting with excellent non-hammy results. Here's the first two I cooked, I've stopped posting cook threads with pics for a while - too many time demands to cook plus take pics, size properly, and post for me.

http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23464

http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24170

One key consideration I learned from TVWB is kosher salt has about half the bulk density of table salt, so if you're using table salt, cut the volume in half if the recipe calls for kosher salt.

I brined 8 racks of pork loin back ribs last month using this brine recipe from TVWB instead of foiling, and I had great results. Brining for a couple of hours is probably OK too but I had zero negative effects and nothing but compliments both from the wife and two housefuls of our nearest cajun neighbors.

I do not purchase "enhanced" pre-adulterated meats. to quote Harry N., if the meat I'm cooking is going to be adulterated, I'm the one who's going to adulterate it.
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PostPosted: Jun 09 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One key consideration I learned from TVWB is kosher salt has about half the bulk density of table salt, so if you're using table salt, cut the volume in half if the recipe calls for kosher salt.


I don't think its as low as half but it is a lot lower, much like pickling salt is even more dense...good reason to do things by weight and not by volume.

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I think pork is natural "salty" and a sugar/water brine might not hurt too much. I have no experience brining pork, but have heard of some doing pork loins with good results.


Ron I've never tried but I'd be inclined to think that the effects of brining would be lost without the salt. If you put salty water beside water with a lower salt content and separate them by a membrane the salinity will balance out because each side wants to become isotonic. This is how the meat pulls in additional flavored water during the brining process.

At one point scientists researching liquid breathing found a liquid that they could dissolve enough oxygen into so that people could breath liquid instead of air, unfortunately at the time they couldn't find a liquid similar to water that they could match the salinity of people. When tested on rats the rat could survive a short while until its lungs ruptured when the salinity tried to balance out.

Another good example is salt on a slug or leech, its skin is semi permable...like a piece of pork. Shake salt on it and the when the salt flows in and water flows out to balance out it kills the little critter.
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PostPosted: Jun 09 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only time i have brined ribs, i ended up with 6th place out of 50.

Go for it.
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PostPosted: Jun 09 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One key consideration I learned from TVWB is kosher salt has about half the bulk density of table salt, so if you're using table salt, cut the volume in half if the recipe calls for kosher salt.


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I don't think its as low as half but it is a lot lower, much like pickling salt is even more dense...good reason to do things by weight and not by volume.


No need to have a particlar belief set, here's the info link to TVWB. Compare Diamond brand kosher salt to table salt.

http://virtualweberbullet.com/brining.html#kosher

Did I mention my use of this ratio has produced excellent non-hammy results that aren't too salty when using table salt in brine and other recipes that call for kosher salt?
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PostPosted: Jun 09 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything said makes sense and I just may try a brine for ribs.
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PostPosted: Jun 10 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent link necron thanks, I guess not all kosher salts are created equal either.

Moral of story is throw away the measuring cups and use a scale.

I don't even own table salt, typically it is iodized and kosher salt is not.
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PostPosted: Jun 10 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morton kosher salt is 2:1 to table salt.

Diamond crystals kosher salt is 1.5:1 to table salt.

As per Americas Test Kitchen.
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PostPosted: Jun 10 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For that matter, why do we assume that table salt has a uniform packing density? I'd bet different brands have different densities too.
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PostPosted: Jun 10 2011    Post subject: Fine Brine Reply with quote

Best brine I ever used on ribs was 2 quarts CocaCola, 1/2 cup Kosher Salt and 1/2 cup Worchestire; brine for 30-45 minutes right before putting them in the smoke. Mopped on another dose, without salt, halfway through.
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PostPosted: Jun 10 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

feldon30 wrote:
Morton kosher salt is 2:1 to table salt.

Diamond crystals kosher salt is 1.5:1 to table salt.

As per Americas Test Kitchen.


That's opposite TVWB info. This link even has a picture of the 3 different size salt boxes mentioned and a clickable button to show the weight of salt in each box. The Diamond kosher salt box contains the same weight of salt as the Morton's kosher salt box, but the Diamond kosher salt box is larger.

http://virtualweberbullet.com/salt.html

Brining is how I get 'regular table salt' from the cupboard used up. For the table, we have a grinder of sea salt with no anti-caking agents, rice, or anything else in the salt container and it functions well in SE Louisiana weather.
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