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finelyfound
Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mar 15 2011 Post subject: Fresh Sliced Bacon- Can it be brined, cured or smoked? |
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I am going to pick up my half side of Berkshire pork this week and was just informed that they sliced and packaged the pork belly. So I have eight pounds of sliced pork belly in 1lb packages.
I am not a huge fan of fresh bacon, it's just too porky tasting for breakfast. I had originally planned to brine and cold smoke the pork belly, but was told it can no longer be cured.
I was hoping that someone on this board may have had some experience with this and can guide me. I am not and experienced smoker.
I do know their are some great recipes out there for fresh pork belly, but I was really hoping for some of it to become seasoned bacon.
I also have several fresh hams and have been looking for some foolproof type recipes to get me started.
I am a very competent cook and baker, but am just starting to experiment with curing and smoking meats so I would like to start will recipes that will be a success.
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Damar12 BBQ Fan
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 176
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Posted: Mar 16 2011 Post subject: |
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| Stack it like a regular slab, tie it off with string and cure it normal. I see no difference other than you will not have to slice later. Good luck. |
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Mar 16 2011 Post subject: |
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I don't see why it can't be cured!
That said if it's cut into 1lb packages, was it sliced into belly pork 1" strips, or was it sliced like bacon but it's still raw?
I don't see why you couldn't cure it either as 1 lb blocks, as 1" strips or as sliced raw bacon... but that's just me! _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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finelyfound
Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mar 17 2011 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies.
I haven't picked it up yet, so don't know the thickness of the slices.
So I will experiment with a lb or so and see if it works.
This will be my very first time curing bacon.
Any suggestions?????
I was thinking possibly of trying Alton Brown's brine and then possibly smoking it.
I haven't done a ton of research on options and would like to start with something fairly basic in the hopes it might work well the first try.
Also, I will have a couple of fresh hams and I'd love some input on smoking and curing the hams. |
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SmokinOkie BBQ Super Pro

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Posted: Mar 17 2011 Post subject: Re: Fresh Sliced Bacon- Can it be brined, cured or smoked? |
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| finelyfound wrote: | ...but was told it can no longer be cured.
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Did they make that statement? Why?
If it was only because it is sliced, then the answers above address that, if it's for some other reason, we'd need to know why that was said. |
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wnkt BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 1329 Location: Upstate South Carolina
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Posted: Mar 18 2011 Post subject: |
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maybe its just me, I dont know much about meat packing and such ...but why would they slice the uncured belly into strips? almost sounds like they were hiding something _________________ Electricity can be dangerous. My nephew tried to stick a penny into a plug. Whoever said a penny doesn't go far didn't see him shoot across that floor. I told him he was grounded. - Tim Allen |
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Mar 18 2011 Post subject: |
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If it's the 1" strips, they sell it to the Chinese restaurants as belly pork, great for lots of Chinese style dishes. _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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wyrman BBQ Fan
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Posted: Mar 20 2011 Post subject: |
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| wnkt wrote: | | maybe its just me, I dont know much about meat packing and such ...but why would they slice the uncured belly into strips? almost sounds like they were hiding something |
It's called fresh side, my wife's grandpa use to eat it all the time. We butcher a hog every year and that's what we get. Cook it just like bacon but with a touch of salt.
I've actually got tired of it but she loves it. |
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Harry Nutczak BBQ All Star

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 8558 Location: The Northwoods
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Posted: Mar 21 2011 Post subject: |
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I would forget about trying to smoke the stuff, but curing it to change the texture and flavor would be easy.
For each 1-pound package, just sprinkle in 1 TBS of mortons tender-quick and give it a week to do its magic.
Your not going to get the smokiness of bacon, but you'll get the proper texture and flavor besides the smoke. _________________ Just remember that the toes you may step on during your climb to the top will also be attached to the a$$es you'll be forced to kiss on your way back down! |
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finelyfound
Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mar 23 2011 Post subject: |
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Thanks Harry, that's the kind of advice I was hoping for.
I know that there is no funny business with the meat, it was processed before I was able to make any requests, I'm not sure why they sliced it and I still don't know how big the slices are.
I found a really basic recipe for curing city ham, I'd love to hear what others do.
Would you add any other seasoning to the Morton's cure???
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Harry Nutczak BBQ All Star

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 8558 Location: The Northwoods
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Posted: Mar 23 2011 Post subject: |
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I just applied cure to a 12# belly slab today, I plan to start smoking it Monday 3-28 for at least 48 hours at around 90 degrees and heavy heavy smoke.
I have done some different flavor profiles with bacon that were very good, I like to use cracked, toasted fennel seed to emulate a taste similar to pancetta without the gamey flavor from the dry-aging process pancetta gets,
I have also done garlic bacon by adding granulated garlic to the salt/cure mixture.
Today, I was about to measure out my salt, when I saw my 15-pound bucket of brisket rub sitting there, so I used my brisket rub for seasoning the belly instead. I am really looking forward to see how that comes out.
Something else I have done is made Venison-bacon by using ground venison and pork at about a 50/50 ratio. Added cure, seasoning, and formed it into a slab and smoked that. (temps taken to 152 to fully cook it) and that slices and fries nicely.
you could coarse grind that belly that they sliced, or chop it very coarse with a knife, add you cure and about 1.5tsp salt per pound, mix it very well, form into a loaf, and do a type of cured bacon out of it that way too.
Whatever you choose to try, I hope it turns out good for you, because that sucks that they would slice uncured raw belly. I wonder how they even pulled that off without freezing it first? _________________ Just remember that the toes you may step on during your climb to the top will also be attached to the a$$es you'll be forced to kiss on your way back down! |
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BBQonICE BBQ Fan
Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan
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Posted: Mar 27 2011 Post subject: |
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| Harry Nutczak wrote: | I just applied cure to a 12# belly slab today, I plan to start smoking it Monday 3-28 for at least 48 hours at around 90 degrees and heavy heavy smoke.
I have done some different flavor profiles with bacon that were very good, I like to use cracked, toasted fennel seed to emulate a taste similar to pancetta without the gamey flavor from the dry-aging process pancetta gets,
I have also done garlic bacon by adding granulated garlic to the salt/cure mixture.
Today, I was about to measure out my salt, when I saw my 15-pound bucket of brisket rub sitting there, so I used my brisket rub for seasoning the belly instead. I am really looking forward to see how that comes out.
Something else I have done is made Venison-bacon by using ground venison and pork at about a 50/50 ratio. Added cure, seasoning, and formed it into a slab and smoked that. (temps taken to 152 to fully cook it) and that slices and fries nicely.
you could coarse grind that belly that they sliced, or chop it very coarse with a knife, add you cure and about 1.5tsp salt per pound, mix it very well, form into a loaf, and do a type of cured bacon out of it that way too.
Whatever you choose to try, I hope it turns out good for you, because that sucks that they would slice uncured raw belly. I wonder how they even pulled that off without freezing it first? |
Garlic bacon...interesting....how was the taste....
I still love the maple cured or just plain salt, pepper and pickling spices cure.... _________________ Come on in for a Cool one! |
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Harry Nutczak BBQ All Star

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 8558 Location: The Northwoods
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Posted: Mar 28 2011 Post subject: |
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| BBQonICE wrote: |
Garlic bacon...interesting....how was the taste....
I still love the maple cured or just plain salt, pepper and pickling spices cure.... |
The garlic bacon was very good, I have not done any maple bacon yet though, but when I do, I plan on using "Maple Sugar" instead of syrup.
They are harvesting maple sap in my area right now, so I expect to be able to get some local maple sugar in the next few weeks when they start processing the sap into syrup. Last year the weather got too warm too quick, and the sap harvest was low, so locally produced syrup and sugar was short on supply.
A little off topic, but the smell of burning hardwoods mixed with the smell of boiling male sap is an amazing scent that permeates the air around the home producers places. If you think cooking pork butts is a low yielding practice, look up how much sap it takes to produce 1-gallon of syrup, or 1 pound of sugar. _________________ Just remember that the toes you may step on during your climb to the top will also be attached to the a$$es you'll be forced to kiss on your way back down! |
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BBQonICE BBQ Fan
Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan
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Posted: Mar 29 2011 Post subject: |
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| Harry Nutczak wrote: | | BBQonICE wrote: |
Garlic bacon...interesting....how was the taste....
I still love the maple cured or just plain salt, pepper and pickling spices cure.... |
The garlic bacon was very good, I have not done any maple bacon yet though, but when I do, I plan on using "Maple Sugar" instead of syrup.
They are harvesting maple sap in my area right now, so I expect to be able to get some local maple sugar in the next few weeks when they start processing the sap into syrup. Last year the weather got too warm too quick, and the sap harvest was low, so locally produced syrup and sugar was short on supply.
A little off topic, but the smell of burning hardwoods mixed with the smell of boiling male sap is an amazing scent that permeates the air around the home producers places. If you think cooking pork butts is a low yielding practice, look up how much sap it takes to produce 1-gallon of syrup, or 1 pound of sugar. | \\
agreed on the smell... _________________ Come on in for a Cool one! |
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