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Chunks??? We don't need no steenkin chunks!!!

 
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Smokin Mike
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PostPosted: Mar 06 2011    Post subject: Chunks??? We don't need no steenkin chunks!!! Reply with quote

I've tried various things in my New Braunfels offset as far as fuel and fire maintenance is concerned. I've burnt only sticks. I've used a combo of chunks and lump. I've even tried lump and chunks and a briquette combo. My goal has been to get the longest burn time keeping a nice ribbon of thin blue smoke as well. Running only sticks has always been a hassle because I have to feed the firebox about every hour. I can usually run a three hour burn on lump and chunks but the chunks seem to peter out rather quickly requiring a refresh to keep the smoke going. My friends, I believe I have stumbled onto the answer. Here's what I've done on my last two cooks and the results have been consistent.

First, I layer in some lump in the bottom of my basket. Then I take as big of a split that I can fit in the basket, allowing some perimeter room to fill in with additional lump around it.


Here's the filled in version with the top of the pile being lit.


Ok, I get things fired up, shut the doors, adjust dampers and within 30 minutes I got some nice blue smoke. You can kinda see it against my storage building.


Ok... all is well. I'm getting blue smoke for a good 2-1/2 hours and then it turns into the really thin smoke. Here's what the basket looks like after 3 hours. The remainder of the split is the black coal on the top. At this point I still have my desired temperatures.


Knowing my cooker usually needs a refresh at about 3 hours, I put another large split onto the bed of coals.


And then I fill it in with fresh lump and top it off with a lit chimney of lump.


I shut the firebox door, crack open the inlet damper a bit, let her get back to temp, then we're off and running for another 3 hours. I do note that I get a bit of white smoke at this time but I'm thinking if I throw down a bed of fresh lump on top of the coals, throw in the split, fill it in... then it might result in a better transition. I'll try that next. Anyway, things look good in these regards and I think I'm done with chunks. It's big splits and lump combo for me. It looks like I can get my 3 hour burn and have the right smoke along with it. Very Happy I just wanted to share.
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PostPosted: Mar 17 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solid technique, I like it.
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PostPosted: Apr 02 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the approx dimensions of your basket?
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PostPosted: Apr 02 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virginiasmoke, My basket is 16" x 10" x 7-3/4" deep. I made it as big as possible but with enough clearance to slide it in the end door.

I made another run last weekend and I think I figured out why this works so well, at least for me. My air intake is on the end and the fresh air actually gets under my log. When I look into the air vent it looks like what you would see in a wood stove. Nice glowing red hot coal, but the whole basket is not fired up. The log is being consumed from the bottom up and as the material on the vent side gets consumed the fire propagates its way towards the cooker.

I'm still working on my replenishment method. I'm not happy with the white smoke that i get when I refuel the basket. The thick smoke eventually calms down but it's still enough to concern me. This is a work in progress. If anybody else tries this, please post up your results.
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PostPosted: Apr 05 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remeber someone talking about this same type of situation and if I remember right they put the split on top of a warming box to warm it up prior to dropping it in the fire.
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PostPosted: Apr 05 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

RollinontheRvr wrote:
I seem to remeber someone talking about this same type of situation and if I remember right they put the split on top of a warming box to warm it up prior to dropping it in the fire.

x2, only on top of the firebox.
I do the exact same on my Bandera. Reminds me, I need to build a basket for it this year.
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RollinontheRvr wrote:
I seem to remeber someone talking about this same type of situation and if I remember right they put the split on top of a warming box to warm it up prior to dropping it in the fire.


Thanks for the tip. I've used that method with chunks but it didn't occur to me to do it with splits. I'll give that technique a whirl next time I cook, hopefully this weekend. and we'll see what happens.

It's interesting that the initial firing doesn't produce as much thick smoke as a replenishment. It's probably something to do with with the basket being full of hot coals when I replenish.
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PostPosted: Apr 05 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking through this thread again, something occurs to me... I'm surprised you don't have runaway temps using that much fuel. If I ever used that much charcoal (briquettes no less) and a split that large, I would have a 400° cook chamber.
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PostPosted: Apr 05 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virginiasmoke wrote:
I'm surprised you don't have runaway temps using that much fuel. If I ever used that much charcoal (briquettes no less) and a split that large, I would have a 400° cook chamber.


Virginiasmoke, Here's a pic of my intake damper setup. This was taken when I was repainting the cooker. The damper itself is laying on the floor.


Once I get the fire going and temps in the cooker are in range I close down the damper to an opening between 1" to 2"... it just depends on the outside temps., wind, etc. I think the key for me is being able to regulate intake air at one opening and being on the end of the firebox. But once I zero in on the correct damper setting she stays rock solid until the fuel starts to get exhausted.

What's the setup on your air intake and what would make your temps runaway with a full basket?
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PostPosted: Apr 05 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is an odd damper set-up. It has a twist nob that moves a flap, that's hinged at the top, in and out.
Once I build a proper basket, like yours, it may take care of itself.
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

another option for you if wood is free.

Instead of buying lump charcoal, just burn down some splits and shovel them into your firebox, keep a fire going outside of the cooker and add coals as needed.
Have you tried splitting your wood way smaller and burning just wood yet?
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Nutczak wrote:
Instead of buying lump charcoal, just burn down some splits and shovel them into your firebox, keep a fire going outside of the cooker and add coals as needed.
Have you tried splitting your wood way smaller and burning just wood yet?


Harry, I have run a side fire and pre-charred the splits and also just shoveled coals in there. That works fine except it's high maintenance. It may be the size of my firebox but I have to stay on top of it about every hour not to mention I now have to tend to two fires. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but on long cooks I'd like to be able to make use of my time on other tasks.



I've also burnt small splits and chunks only.


This latest thing with the large split and lump combo seems to work the best so far in terms of less fire management. Anyway, all this experimenting is interesting and keeps me thinking of better ways to do things. Who knows... I might stumble on some new revolutionary way of cooking with wood.
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PostPosted: Jul 11 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting idea! I wonder how a big split would work buried in the basket of a UDS? I do miss my offset, but the lack of tending required by a UDS sure spoils ya!
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