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MarkBall2
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 12:25 am    Post subject: And so it begins...........(pic heavy) Reply with quote

I was given a stainless steel wheelchair washing machine at one of my previous jobs. I had a lot of different ideas on what to use it for, then became a member here. I built a UDS & it works great, but for larger cooks, I needed something larger.

So, I finally decided what to do with the old w/c washer. Make an Insulated Vertical Cabinet Smoker!

Here goes some pictures if you've never seen a wheelchair washing machine. It's designed like a dishwasher, only larger.

Front view of W/C washer:



Side View:



Inside Wash cabinet:



Rear view of Control/Pump cabinet:



Inside of Control/Pump cabinet:



Controls:



Inside of Wash cabinet - stripped:



Inside control cabinet - Stripped:





Recovered 1 HP pump - it's froze, but I think I can fix that:





So it begins, the remake of a useful smoker. Ah yes, the design I drew up. Measurements aren't quite right, the cook chamber will be 22" deep x 30.75" wide x 31" tall. Firebox will be 13" tall x 30.75 wide. It will be insulated with 2" insulation from McMaster-Carr.

Here's the design I drew up:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shoot man that is a really cool cabinet and will make a great smoker Ill bet you that all that pump needs is some new bearings
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't taken it apart, but I think the impeller is froze. With all the junk I took out of the sump, the pipes had clogged screens & junk in it, I would suspect that to be the case.

I'll know more once I pull it apart, but for now, I have to slowly gather steel for the smoker build.

Oh, I was thinking of a powered draft system for this too. Maybe running into 2 inlets sized at 2" on the side? I could hang it all inside the rear cabinet I have to cut off.





I also accept donations of stainless steel angle.................... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So why not a GF since you already have the set-up, place the coal chute and ash chute where the the pump was.I never though about how they wash a wheel chair!A tool for every job!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkBall2 wrote:

I also accept donations of stainless steel angle.................... Very Happy


have you looked in to SS unistrut?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rear cabinet is welded onto the back of the washer cabinet. It's not sealed, has no back to it, just folded in & welded.

It's also 49" deep, so that makes for a long reach , even with slide out racks.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

killswitch505 wrote:
MarkBall2 wrote:

I also accept donations of stainless steel angle.................... Very Happy


have you looked in to SS unistrut?


Nope, just looked at Online Metals. The local guy here pretty much matches that pricing. And trying to find surplus stainless angle, is like pulling hen's teeth. We don't have much selection of salvage here in Yuma. Most of it get's hauled to Mexico, by the Mexican's.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, that is going to be a fun build right there. Very Happy I am going to be watching for more updates and pics. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 6:08 am    Post subject: ss angles Reply with quote

check midwestmetalonline.com
tell them Rupert sent you !
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will when I get that far. The stainless 1.5x1.5x1/8" angle was going to be close to $200.00 through Online Metals, the local place is within $10.00 so I was just going to buy it there. You know, support your local businesses & such.

I'll give them a call when I get closer to needing it. Have to cut in two first.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can always jus use steel angle and use 309L filler, works great. Plus the metal gonna be covered in grease eventualy anyways, LOL Very Happy. Looks like a hella fun build.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I considered that too. But I wondered how it would look with the mild steel angle inside the stainless cabinet.

I am going to build the racks out of mild steel & expanded metal. If I decide to make stainless racks later, I can.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SR20steve wrote:
You can always jus use steel angle and use 309L filler, works great. Plus the metal gonna be covered in grease eventualy anyways.


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There won't be any colors of metal escept browish black unless you're OCD about cleaning, after such a short time with all that acreage and you won't want to clean anymore.

With it being so deep, are you planning to slim it down, or too much work?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be 22" deep inside, 26" deep on the outside. Basically cut it in half, then use the extra stainless to create the cook chamber.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19 10 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, right there in your first post, duh! Mind was tired last night.

Can't wait to see progress!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20 10 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a bit more done today. Took off the back cabinet from the wheel chair washing machine, then removed the 2nd pump out of the cabinet. Wasn't too bad taking it off, just used a cut off wheel to cut through the welds, took out an extra shelf that sat right above the 2nd pump.

Here's the pump:


And the details of the pump:


Then unbolted the pump from the cabinet, stuck cabinet up against the wall.


Rear of Wheel Chair Washing machine without rear cabinet:


Got to looking closer at the rear of the washer & found I could bust a few TIG welds & remove the back panel from the washer. So I did that with my handy dandy 4 1/2" cut off wheel. I also buzzed off the welded studs before I did anything else.

It's the same size as the cabinet. And I have a door for it too. Back panel:


Back panel removed:


Front without back panel in place:



It got to be time for the school kids to come home, so I quit for the day. Parents will be home shortly & I prefer to not upset them with all the cutting.

I do have some questions for the people that cater, but I'll ask that in another thread. Thanks for looking.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20 10 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, if you are still interested. 1.5x1.5x.125 304ss angle 20' is about $65.00, shipped ups for $20.00 if I figured right. That can be cut to your specs for nothing.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20 10 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rupert wrote:
Mark, if you are still interested. 1.5x1.5x.125 304ss angle 20' is about $65.00, shipped ups for $20.00 if I figured right. That can be cut to your specs for nothing.


I'm rethinking the stainless interior. Might go with mild steel, will be easier to build & with the insulation, it won't matter what the inside looks like.

As a nurse, I'm always concerned about "cleaning surfaces", so I'll ask a couple more questions before building anything for the inside. I'm just stripping it down right now. 'Sides I'm a cheap bast......well you get the idea.

I also looked at another place & they quoted $59 & change, but don't know what shipping would be. If I decide to go stainless I will definitely give you a shout.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20 10 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just some quick feedback on the design. I would reconsider the 1" vent holes on the perimeter of the diffuser plate. You're heat will tend to go right up the sides and out the top and leave a cold spot in the center of your cooker.

As well, the grease will drip down these hole and just cause a mess in the firebox to clean up. Consider doing something like the following. It's what I did in mine as I think this idea has a lot of merit.

http://www.yellowjacketsystems.com/que/project/update-6-29/pages/Img_1308.htm

Mine was a tad bigger than this and I made my a rectangle in hopes of more evenly heating the cooker by matching the diffuser plate to shape of the cooker.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21 10 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that thread & am considering it.

My idea of a change to the original drawing was to put 5 smaller holes (3.5") in the top of the firebox, like on a dice die. Problem is, I would have to have a pan set over the top of it, to keep the grease from dripping into the holes.

The pan could be anything, either purchased or made, but I"m concerned about the smoke movement using this "diffuser" pan. I want to keep the lowest rack as low as possible so I could put chicken there, while pork/beef was above it. Maybe that's not a good idea and I need to eliminate a rack?

I'm also concerned about how clean the inside needs to be between cooks. Will it have to be scrubbed within an inch of life each time I use it? Or just scrape off the burnt crust? On my UDS, I just wire brush it off, then hose it, before I cook. Then the heat of the charcoal drys & adds seasoning to it.

If this is the case, I may not make the inside stainless, just make the firebox/cabinet side/rear all one piece. Then section off the firebox from the 3 sided cabinet.
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