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lennyk
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22 12 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally got delivery of my Wayne burner this week.

Powered it up and did a test fire and works fine.
Guess I need to find the time to start back welding and finishing my vertical cabinet.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22 12 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please read PMPNLT650pxOTLS!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22 12 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome work!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02 12 12:58 pm    Post subject: Temp. Controller Reply with quote

BBQMAN, Looking to update my smoker with this set up but was wondering why you ran the output on the temp controller to a SSR and not just out to the low voltage thermastat controls on the self contained burner assy.? Seems like you could get rid of the SSR and make that one less component to purchase.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12 12 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The output to the burner assy (through the SSR) is 110V because so is the pre wired input at the Wayne burner.

Some more up to date controllers have a built in relay, this one didn't. And as mentioned I had it on the shelf, and Watlow is a top notch controller.

One caveat, make sure whatever controller you purchase has the SSR, and it's set up with a hysteresis that allows enough leeway on the set temp so it doesn't short cycle.

There is more than one way to do the electrics, prior experience with commercial machines led me to the choices I made.

This unit is still going strong 2+ years later, zero issues.

Thanks for the replies, nice to see some others following suit! Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21 12 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you shed some light on what the hystersis thing is you mentioned ?

I have been using mine with great success.
So much so I am actually thinking of removing the chute on my stump's clone and doing a simple conversion to another wayne unit.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21 12 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference between the set temp and the temp that the cycle starts again at.

In an HVAC system the band is much narrower, but for smoker use 20' works just fine.

Gratifying to see you guys making use of the option! Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21 12 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I will have to check my pid's manual.

Yes, it is certainly worth the cost.

Anything that is "set and forget" is a nobrainer.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25 12 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 500 gallon Non-Reverse Flow offset that I would love to hook one of these systems up to. I don't have the expertise to build it though. Is anyone putting these together and selling them as a package with the only thing left to be done is component and drilling holes in fire box? I would be willing to pay someone for their time but I am sure there are liability issues that would keep someone from selling these setups.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03 13 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on the controller you select, and the enclosures you choose to use this is approx a $1,000 investment.

Add in labor and shipping and this is not an inexpensive modification.

For me, it was well worth the time and $$$$.

On a positive note I just scored two brand new in the box Watlow controllers from a machine builder friend that had spares in his tool box of the same make/model. The nice thing about a quality controller is once it's wired, it's as simple as unplugging the module on the back, and snapping it into the replacement. I can program the new controller on the bench and have an immediate back up if/when it's ever needed! Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24 13 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for posting this BBQ MAN, i think im gonna make a stab at building one of these units. i havent played around with to much electrical or LP Gas mechanics, its a bit outta my league, but i have a couple friends who will help me through this, ive showed a few buddies this thread and they're willing to help, so here in a week or so, i will have ordered every thing to put this thing together!
any extra input is appreciated! Smile

Thanks again BBQ MAN we'll see what i can do!
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PostPosted: Tue May 07 13 12:23 am    Post subject: my new Wayne P250AF install and cook Reply with quote

it took a little longer then i figured, but i finally nailed it. with some help from a couple friends and some RTFM (Read The F***n Manual) time i goter done. i had plenty of pics before the install but for some crazy reason, i accidently deleted all my pics outta my phone soon after the install happened, so i had to take pics as i went along. here it goes

the digital thermastat reader was stuck on Celsious for the longest.








pic of the gas piping


Diamond Plated Aluminum box to hold all of my electrical components, like 2 6 volt deep cycle marine batteries, a charger, and a 6000 watt inverter runs on DC or AC with plug ins around the whole trailer




at this point its still on Celsious Shocked Confused it literally took a minute to figure that out




im playn around with a couple different orfice sizes, in this pic its set to 130,000 BTUs












the small dark pieces in the back are some beef cracklins from the brisket thats in the front wrapped up in several towels as it finishes for the next 2 hours insulated plus 2 pork butts sitting under the beef cracklins to the right that wouldnt stay together when i pulled them off the cooker Very Happy !


Im such a happy camper. the Wayne P250AF combustion burner has really changed the aspect of cooking on this big boy. it reaches the target temperature and shuts off, i set it for 20 degrees above the target temp so the burner just holds temps really nice like. BBQ MAN i just wanted to thank you for creating the thread. this bbq cooker is like the old Ronco food dehydrater, set it and forget it! i hope u enjoy the pics
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PostPosted: Tue May 07 13 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wondering...if you don't have clamp downs or tie downs on the batteries, you may want to add them for travel on the less than smooth roads!

System looks good, I for one am happy you won't blow yourself up accidentally!
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PostPosted: Tue May 07 13 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoEzzy wrote:
Just wondering...if you don't have clamp downs or tie downs on the batteries, you may want to add them for travel on the less than smooth roads!

System looks good, I for one am happy you won't blow yourself up accidentally!


Thanks SoEzzy for lookn, and to answer your question about the battery setup, all 4 sides are secure down low and i have some heavy duty straps that mount over the 2 batteries, they're just not on at that point in the pic cuz we were still doin nic nac stuff to the system. i also added a roof with overhang and 2 fold out open and close 4'x10' side wings as well. but thats in my next post aside from this thread.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07 13 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GREAT looking install, so glad to see some of you putting the info to good use! Cool
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PostPosted: Fri May 17 13 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent install.
Does the P250af do a prepurge where it blows air but does not fire for a minute or does it fire ignition immediately ?

I think Wayne has a particular burner for smokers which ignites immediately on power.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17 13 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one I have does blow air before it ignites
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19 13 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone tried doing a conversion like this on a Pitmaker Sniper Offset?

I have the chance to buy one at a great price, but I do not want to be tending the fire (for catering)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24 14 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick update: after 3 1/2 years of heavy use I finally had one failure- the controller has gotten a bit sticky over the years through no fault of it's own. Installed a clear plastic cover over the replacement so it should prevent the same issue again. Rest of the system has operated flawlessly, and I typically burn 5-6 cords of wood now per season.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25 14 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow a BBQMAN sighting!
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