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smokercop



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19 10 5:14 pm    Post subject: Looking for help with first build Reply with quote

Ok, this place rocks!!

Now to where can I get a 120 gallon tank? I have look all around Craigslist but nothing. Also I do not have any welding gear or torch. I have seen a few on CL. Should I use ARC or MIG. I have used both but like 15 years ago.

I am in the Chicago area.

Any help will rock.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19 10 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can call around to LP companies looking for a tank that was unable to be certified.

Usually those can be had at a great price because all they are worth is scrap weight.

Some will help you out, some will not citing liability issues.

I prefer a 220 MIG setup w/gas.

You can make your cuts with a torch or cutoff wheel or even a sawzall but that takes time (and skill with a torch) and a ton of work with heavy gauge metal.

An alternate is to layout all the cuts in the tank, then have a welding shop make all the cuts with a plasma cutter.

The same shop should be able to sheer all the metal for your firebox and other odds and ends.

You may find a good deal on plate steel calling around looking for "drops".

Best of luck with your project!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19 10 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smokercop, welcome to the ring. I look forward to seeing some pics of your cooks and following your cooker build. Smile
As BBQMAN mentioned those are all great places to look for material and have work done.
You can have a metal shop roll your plate for you if tanks are not easy to find. There are also salvage yards for steel and the occasional tank.
Some rental companies rent plasma cutters and welders so that might be an option. If I were going to purchase I would go stick since you already have the knowledge of both. Your going in price will be a lot less. Good Luck in your search and keep us posted. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19 10 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to a propane dealer and asked for the number
of the co. that certified there tanks, went there and
they were happy to get rid of them. They might charge
you scrap price or just give them to you. I got these
for free.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19 10 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How thick is the steel in propane tank? I found a plasma cutter.

http://www.harborfreight.com/120-volt-inverter-plasma-cutter-97994.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20 10 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smokercop, another good way is to place an add on Craigslist "wanted", old large propane tank or old fuel drum. Last time I did this I had 3 replies. One guy thought he had a gold mine with 120 gallon propane tanks. I just told him he was way out of line of price and told him $50 and he took it.

I will say this, do not EVER buy welding equipment from HF. If you get lucky you may finish your project best case and then have to toss it. That Plasma may cut 18GA steel at a reasonable rate but sure won't do much more. Their sever means if you hold it one place long enough it may burn a hole through it. You would be better off to spend that money to pay a friend to do the MIG stuff and make your cuts with cutoff wheels in a 4 1/2 inch grinder.

Never trust anyone who misspells in their advertisements either.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21 10 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I have tried a few place and no luck. I think i need to go fas out west to find a tank. But I did find a trailer w00t
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21 10 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you place a wanted ad on Craigslist? I would sure try that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22 10 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes have a few post on CL for it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22 10 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 3 or 4 on my CL now. I am going to look at them this weekend. I don't need any right now but when the price is right I gotta grab them.

When I was starting The Wild Pig I couldn't find one either (needed a second one). After I got mine I saw them everywhere. lol
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27 10 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I think I got the tank. Welder is next Miller Thunder Bolt? looks older but looks ok. its 225V. get it or wait for MIG?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27 10 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your skills are rusty after 15 or so years, hold out for the MIG. You may fall right back into the stick welding fairly quick running long beads but you might find yourself very unhappy when it gets down to short welds, tacking, and hard to reach areas. Very few things spell "lock up the shop, it's beer thirty" quicker than your umpteenth stuck electrode. If you go the AC stick welder route, pick up some Lincoln 7018 AC rods, they have a high iron content for easy starts.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27 10 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah what wreckless said. For this kind of work, I think the MIG is best way to go.

I don't agree with his 7018 rods though. I hate them and threw all of mine away. lololol
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27 10 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smokercop, Wreckless and purplewg know I will go against the grain on this one.Laughing If you were proficient with stick fifteen years ago then it should come right back to you like riding a bike. But if time is not a factor then hold out for a wire feed. If you go stick I would have on hand 6011's 6013's and 7018's I would also have 1/8' and 3/32'' for all rods mentioned. Keep us updated. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27 10 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah k.a.m., we do agree on the 6011's. Easiest rod I have ever run. Maybe not for big rig frames or making trailers with but a really good all around rod.

6013's are good also. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28 10 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smokercop, did rocket supply hook you up with a tank?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31 10 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope to have the tank next week!!


Also got a new TOY, Hobart 187


what wire should i use with gas?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04 10 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok going to pick up a tank or two in few days. Question In 120 gallon tank can I put two racks in?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04 10 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

purplewg wrote:

I don't agree with his 7018 rods though. I hate them and threw all of mine away. lololol

Hey now! Evil or Very Mad They make things look pretty. Smile I only said to make sure the rods said "A/C" on the 7018 or he will REALLY hate them with an A/C machine. I am spoiled with the MIG now anyway, too many different rods to keep up with with the stick welder, I had boxes everywhere. The MIG is running easliy at half the cost or better. I would still use the stick for a trailer or safety related.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04 10 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smokercop, if your tank is 24'' diam . you can have a 2nd rack pretty easy. But as the diameter decreases the second rack starts to be in the way.
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