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Oregon smoker BBQ All Star
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 6246 Location: Portland, OR
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| animal wrote: | | Teleking wrote: | | animal wrote: | | I like to know the temp of my meat so I don't under or overcook my food. |
So a brisket will take 10 to 14 hours to cook. Pretty sure it will be under done for at least 10 hours. Why do you need to know the temp for the first 10 hours  |
Why do you troll and just complain about everything. I have been doing this for a few years and have learned you can make good food on anything even a hole in the ground. don't you have a life or is this it, just to troll and bitch about anything you dont like, I have a Lang and a Gas hollow#5 smoke hollow gasser. Anything about them you disapprove of ? I heard KC Boss was back, are you him. I also built a pid controller for my cookers, I guess I should have checked in with you first to get your opinion. |
Does that stand for Piss In the Dish?
If so you i need more details about your cooking methods....
He isnt trolling, i actually think you got trolled.
If you feel like you need prior approval go for it, if not then so be it. |
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cityevader BBQ Pro

Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 923 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Aug 06 2010 Post subject: |
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From answers.com:
A proportional–integral–derivative controller (PID controller) is a generic control loop feedback mechanism (controller) widely used in industrial control systems – a PID is the most commonly used feedback controller. A PID controller calculates an "error" value as the difference between a measured process variable and a desired setpoint. The controller attempts to minimize the error by adjusting the process control inputs. In the absence of knowledge of the underlying process, a PID controller is the optimal controller.[1] However, for best performance, the PID parameters used in the calculation must be tuned according to the nature of the system – while the design is generic, the parameters depend on the specific system.
The PID controller calculation (algorithm) involves three separate parameters, and is accordingly sometimes called three-term control: the proportional, the integral and derivative values, denoted P, I, and D. The proportional value determines the reaction to the current error, the integral value determines the reaction based on the sum of recent errors, and the derivative value determines the reaction based on the rate at which the error has been changing. The weighted sum of these three actions is used to adjust the process via a control element such as the position of a control valve or the power supply of a heating element. Heuristically, these values can be interpreted in terms of time: P depends on the present error, I on the accumulation of past errors, and D is a prediction of future errors, based on current rate of change.[2]
By tuning the three constants in the PID controller algorithm, the controller can provide control action designed for specific process requirements. The response of the controller can be described in terms of the responsiveness of the controller to an error, the degree to which the controller overshoots the setpoint and the degree of system oscillation. Note that the use of the PID algorithm for control does not guarantee optimal control of the system or system stability.
Some applications may require using only one or two modes to provide the appropriate system control. This is achieved by setting the gain of undesired control outputs to zero. A PID controller will be called a PI, PD, P or I controller in the absence of the respective control actions. PI controllers are fairly common, since derivative action is sensitive to measurement noise, whereas the absence of an integral value may prevent the system from reaching its target value due to the control action.
Note: Due to the diversity of the field of control theory and application, many naming conventions for the relevant variables are in common use. _________________ Since Christ DIED for us, we should LIVE for Him!
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Oregon smoker BBQ All Star
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 6246 Location: Portland, OR
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| cityevader wrote: | From answers.com:
A proportional–integral–derivative controller (PID controller) is a generic control loop feedback mechanism (controller) widely used in industrial control systems – a PID is the most commonly used feedback controller. A PID controller calculates an "error" value as the difference between a measured process variable and a desired setpoint. The controller attempts to minimize the error by adjusting the process control inputs. In the absence of knowledge of the underlying process, a PID controller is the optimal controller.[1] However, for best performance, the PID parameters used in the calculation must be tuned according to the nature of the system – while the design is generic, the parameters depend on the specific system.
The PID controller calculation (algorithm) involves three separate parameters, and is accordingly sometimes called three-term control: the proportional, the integral and derivative values, denoted P, I, and D. The proportional value determines the reaction to the current error, the integral value determines the reaction based on the sum of recent errors, and the derivative value determines the reaction based on the rate at which the error has been changing. The weighted sum of these three actions is used to adjust the process via a control element such as the position of a control valve or the power supply of a heating element. Heuristically, these values can be interpreted in terms of time: P depends on the present error, I on the accumulation of past errors, and D is a prediction of future errors, based on current rate of change.[2]
By tuning the three constants in the PID controller algorithm, the controller can provide control action designed for specific process requirements. The response of the controller can be described in terms of the responsiveness of the controller to an error, the degree to which the controller overshoots the setpoint and the degree of system oscillation. Note that the use of the PID algorithm for control does not guarantee optimal control of the system or system stability.
Some applications may require using only one or two modes to provide the appropriate system control. This is achieved by setting the gain of undesired control outputs to zero. A PID controller will be called a PI, PD, P or I controller in the absence of the respective control actions. PI controllers are fairly common, since derivative action is sensitive to measurement noise, whereas the absence of an integral value may prevent the system from reaching its target value due to the control action.
Note: Due to the diversity of the field of control theory and application, many naming conventions for the relevant variables are in common use. |
No f**king fun, come on follow along.
I already knew what the thing was.
Guess i gotta put a bunch of these--->
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cityevader BBQ Pro

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yeah, that is a huge drawback to internetting versus face-to-face communication. There is no tonal inflection to tell when someone is sarcastic. To me, your initial remark seemed not only ignorant, but inflammatory...almost third-grader-like. Something like "oh yeah? Well you...you...you're a great big stupidhead!"
Also a bit nonsensical to pick out a single work and make a bizarre statement of derision without any qualifiers...it degraded your response from being funny in your head to ridiculous when typed out.
So yes, smilies can help avoid this by giving an idea of where you're going with a statement in terms of silly or serious. _________________ Since Christ DIED for us, we should LIVE for Him!
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Teleking BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 26 Sep 2007 Posts: 4139 Location: Maine
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| animal wrote: | | Teleking wrote: | | animal wrote: | | I like to know the temp of my meat so I don't under or overcook my food. |
So a brisket will take 10 to 14 hours to cook. Pretty sure it will be under done for at least 10 hours. Why do you need to know the temp for the first 10 hours  |
Why do you troll and just complain about everything. I have been doing this for a few years and have learned you can make good food on anything even a hole in the ground. don't you have a life or is this it, just to troll and bitch about anything you dont like, I have a Lang and a Gas hollow#5 smoke hollow gasser. Anything about them you disapprove of ? I heard KC Boss was back, are you him. I also built a pid controller for my cookers, I guess I should have checked in with you first to get your opinion. |
You didn't answer the question  _________________ “Franken Smoker”
“The Bride of Franken Smoker” |
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Oregon smoker BBQ All Star
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 6246 Location: Portland, OR
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| cityevader wrote: | yeah, that is a huge drawback to internetting versus face-to-face communication. There is no tonal inflection to tell when someone is sarcastic. To me, your initial remark seemed not only ignorant, but inflammatory...almost third-grader-like. Something like "oh yeah? Well you...you...you're a great big stupidhead!"
Also a bit nonsensical to pick out a single work and make a bizarre statement of derision without any qualifiers...it degraded your response from being funny in your head to ridiculous when typed out.
So yes, smilies can help avoid this by giving an idea of where you're going with a statement in terms of silly or serious. |
If you have been here for any length of time and paid any amount of attention, i am yanking ones chain most of the time.
If you need your dick pulled for your amount of intellect go to the Mensa forums.
So do you need any smiley's to derive my intent with those sentences? |
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cityevader BBQ Pro

Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 923 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Aug 07 2010 Post subject: |
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Wowsers.
I do not know your personality, we've never met. There are many many people who frequent these boards, so I apologize for not analizing and documenting people's/your posts in order to come up with a personality profile.
All I could do was look at what you wrote. It seemed to me, perhaps mistakenly, that you didn't know what a pid controller was and was teasing about it... so i copy/paste the first description my search came upon. I was simply trying to help. I gave no double-speak or sarcasm, that all came from you alone.
And yes, thank you for speaking directly about what you were communicating in that last post, even if crude, because it was honest and couldn't be misinterpreted. The more this happens, the less flamewars we get. _________________ Since Christ DIED for us, we should LIVE for Him!
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day_trippr BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 08 May 2009 Posts: 3206 Location: Stow, MA
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Posted: Aug 07 2010 Post subject: |
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Uh oh. Looks like it's time for another dose:
Seemed to have a calming effect the last time, and if it works again, I think every digital remote thermometer thread should start off with it!
Cheers!  _________________ Save the planet: it's the only one with beer!
FrankennBrinkmann ECB
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Oregon smoker BBQ All Star
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 6246 Location: Portland, OR
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| day_trippr wrote: | Uh oh. Looks like it's time for another dose:
Seemed to have a calming effect the last time, and if it works again, I think every digital remote thermometer thread should start off with it!
Cheers!  |
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Lump BBQ Fan
Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Posts: 308 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Aug 07 2010 Post subject: maverick |
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I bought the wirwless one for $31.00 on ebay new!!! love it _________________ Big Green Egg XL
Shun Ken Onion knives
Pitmaker Vault
Stoker system
Hobart 2912 slicer!! |
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bama6977 Newbie
Joined: 14 Jun 2009 Posts: 70 Location: Pensacola FL
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I just ask'd a simple honest question.  _________________ "Roll Tide Roll" |
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bigjoe BBQ Pro

Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Posts: 849 Location: Parma Hts, OH
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| bama6977 wrote: | I just ask'd a simple honest question.  |
Sorry, BTDT.  _________________ LIAR #8...where are you???
HERE I IS!!!
I'm the lucky one. My wife married the idiot.
WEBER 'One Touch' Gold 22.5"
Robo-Smoker - upright
'The Mutt' - DPP Clone
UDS...'Trinity' |
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day_trippr BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 08 May 2009 Posts: 3206 Location: Stow, MA
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Posted: Aug 07 2010 Post subject: Re: Maverick ET-73 Dual Probe Remote BBQ Thermometer |
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| bama6977 wrote: | | On ebay for $51.00, shipping and handling included, is that my best deal?? Should I buy one or is there updated model |
Interesting - the average price appears to have gone up since I last looked around. A few months ago, Ace Photo Digital had them on Amazon for $43 delivered, now they're up to $48 - plus $7 S&H.
Anyway, the best deal I see right now is still on Amazon - for $50 delivered. Not hard to find, just search for Maverick ET-73 and don't ignore the low-price link that shows up.
Of all the different Mavericks, I think the ET-73 is the best suited for use with a smoker. It hasn't been superseded - yet (though I'm sure we could give them a nice list of things to change for the Mark II model )
Mine works great (shortcomings alluded to above notwithstanding).
YMMV.
Cheers! _________________ Save the planet: it's the only one with beer!
FrankennBrinkmann ECB
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cityevader BBQ Pro

Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 923 Location: San Jose, CA
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| bama6977 wrote: | I just ask'd a simple honest question.  |
Didn't think you'd get 4 pages of half useful-less replies, huh? _________________ Since Christ DIED for us, we should LIVE for Him!
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Hell Fire Grill BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 3921 Location: Pickler's Puragatory!!
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| I blame IBS. |
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GeorgeH BBQ Super Fan
Joined: 30 Aug 2009 Posts: 445 Location: Arkansas, between Little Rock and Fort Smith
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Posted: Aug 14 2010 Post subject: |
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I have a thermapen and it is really good but it only has one probe.
The only alternative to the Maverick is the nu-temp dual probe for $85 (some folks on this forum say it is better than maverick but I haven't tried it.)
http://www.nu-temp.com/bbq.htm
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