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NikoBrew



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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: using wood chunks so they don't catch flame Reply with quote

I've used my smoker a few times (chargriller propane bbq with a SFB attachment, no mods..yet!) and always have the same issues with keeping the wood chunks on the coals without them going ablaze. I know folks say don't soak your wood (lol), but then when people put wood directly onto coals doesn't it just catch fire? I also know people put wood on foil, in coffee cans with holes, and various concoctions to keep the wood from directly touching the coals.. at the same time with the minion method and other setups I've seen and heard about, the wood chunks are buried in the coals. Wouldn't this just make the wood catch fire and burn until it's gone?

I also just found out I have a local winery/orchard that sells wood! $140 a cord, I need much less than that and they'll scale down the price accordingly. Once I burn through the charcoal I just bought at costco (two big bags) I'm thinking of using the wood as the fuel source and for smoking.
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I add my splits to my coals, I always have them on top of my firebox so they will get hot before I throw them on to the coals. This has always helped me out, and I learned this from the good people on where when I first started smoking. Now I always have some splits on top of the firebox and when they are ready to join my coals, they don't flame up very much at all.

Also, I have never soaked my wood (LOL) as the majoriy of the things I have read on here say not to do it as the point of seasing wood is to get it as dry as possilbe (about 22% water, or around there). So, why would you wan to soak your wood when you should be trying to dry it out...I hope this helps and I know people with more knowledge that me will help you out...that is what I LOVE about this site - it's awesome members!!!
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigPhil32 wrote:
When I add my splits to my coals, I always have them on top of my firebox so they will get hot before I throw them on to the coals. This has always helped me out, and I learned this from the good people on where when I first started smoking. Now I always have some splits on top of the firebox and when they are ready to join my coals, they don't flame up very much at all.


Thanks, does anybody know how/why this works? I'm going to do it anyway of course, I just like to know Razz So my SFB has the grate on the bottom where I'll put coals, then the top rack where I'd put wood, when do I know it's ready to put on so they don't flare up? Any physical difference I can tell or a timeframe I should use stick my log in the bottom (aw man there's no way to talk about smoking meat without sounding dirty lol)
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are doing the minion method and mix your chunks in with the lump, you will notice excess smoke when they catch and a jump in temp. Don't worry about it, that's just the way it is and it will settle back down.
If you are running splits alone, get a good base of lump going while preheating your splits. Throw 1 or 2 on every 45 minutes or as required to maintain temps.
Control your temps from the git go, when it settles in at what you want, put the meat on. Some cookers will run up to an hour before they settle in.
Put your splits on top of the fire box, not in it, to preheat it. Ignition occurs at a certain temp, and the closer you are to that temp, the faster it will ignite.
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarhead wrote:
If you are doing the minion method and mix your chunks in with the lump, you will notice excess smoke when they catch and a jump in temp. Don't worry about it, that's just the way it is and it will settle back down.
If you are running splits alone, get a good base of lump going while preheating your splits. Throw 1 or 2 on every 45 minutes or as required to maintain temps.
Control your temps from the git go, when it settles in at what you want, put the meat on. Some cookers will run up to an hour before they settle in.
Put your splits on top of the fire box, not in it, to preheat it. Ignition occurs at a certain temp, and the closer you are to that temp, the faster it will ignite.


Pefectly said...this is just about spot on on how I smoke evrytime...I told you there are AWESOME people on here!!!
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigPhil32 wrote:
put the meat on. Some cookers will run up to an hour before they settle in.
Put your splits on top of the fire box, not in it, to preheat it. Ignition occurs at a certain temp, and the closer you are to that temp, the faster it will ignite.


So what you're saying is regardless, they will flame up, but if I have them heated beforehand that firetime will be minimized, fire will die, and then it'll just smoke? And when you say ontop of the firebox do you literally mean outside of the SFB, or on the top grate? Thanks. As for the minion method I don't have the basket setup yet but I plan to..not sure if I will by my next smoke. Thanks man.
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Niko,
I would stay with the charcoal and just add wood to it as needed for flavor, it is a little easier to control in that smaller firebox.

Also watch Craigslist or take a trip out to sunnyslope or Emmett and you can get lots of wood and branches for free.

I picked up a cord of apple earlier this year for free out there that I am seasoning. Apple, peach, pear, apricot are plentiful. In the fall and early spring you can pick up some grape. In Emmett there is lots of cherry.
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

broncosmoker wrote:
Niko,
I would stay with the charcoal and just add wood to it as needed for flavor, it is a little easier to control in that smaller firebox.

Also watch Craigslist or take a trip out to sunnyslope or Emmett and you can get lots of wood and branches for free.

I picked up a cord of apple earlier this year for free out there that I am seasoning. Apple, peach, pear, apricot are plentiful. In the fall and early spring you can pick up some grape. In Emmett there is lots of cherry.

Bob, is that you? Razz Yeah all applewood I'm realizing now would be a bad idea. I'll heat the wood chunks before putting them in the fire next time I smoke (probably tomorrow, I've got a dozen drumsticks marinating in srirachi sauce and zesty italian dressing..mmm).

So when using charcoal and wood chunks - no soaking the chunks and then put them on the SFB to heat up, and this will minimize how much flamage I'll get??..
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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is correct...do not presoak and put your splits/chunks on top (outside) of your firebox and this will keep your flareups down to a minimum and it will also produce less of the white billowy smoke that you are trying to avoid...

Here is a smoker I used a couple of weeks ago to smoke some little wild hogs....you can see my splits on top of the firebox...hope this helps!

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PostPosted: Jul 03 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool! Thanks man. I will try that when I smoke some drumsticks this weekend.
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PostPosted: Jul 04 2010    Post subject: Re: using wood chunks so they don't catch flame Reply with quote

NikoBrew wrote:
Wouldn't this just make the wood catch fire and burn until it's gone?

I thought that's the goal.

When charcoal starts burning, it's white nasty smoke.

When a good clean piece of wood burns, it's thin blue smoke.

My understanding is, a fist-sized chunk will burn for 45 min to an hour. By arranging wood chunks from the center out to the edge of your charcoal basket, hopefully one wood chunk will light every hour, so you have consistent smoke. Of course if you see no blue smoke, you can always toss in another chunk.

I am not an expert. YMMV
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PostPosted: Jul 13 2010    Post subject: Re: using wood chunks so they don't catch flame Reply with quote

feldon30 wrote:
NikoBrew wrote:
Wouldn't this just make the wood catch fire and burn until it's gone?

I thought that's the goal.


It is, my point was I was paranoid that the wood was on fire for so long I would get the campfire taste. I did a semi minion method smoke the other day though and the method of heating the wood up first worked great. I don't know the science behind it put I just kept five or six chunks of wood (got a bag from lowes, now I'm out of the two big bags of chunks I got from them) on top of the SFB and every once in a while I'd just put one in around the sides of the coals, and some on top. When I'd check on the SFB the wood was just smoldering, I'm sure it caught fire but not for long. I haven't done a full smoke since I've gotten that down, only "oh hey I'm home from work and done with errands early, lets smoke something for a couple hours then grill on low till its done" Smile
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PostPosted: Jul 13 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I understand it is that the wood will smolder when it is "cold" and cause the unwanted white smoke. If it is heated before igniting, the smoldering process is reduced and vey little white smoke is created. Thus, placing splits on the fire box heats up the wood and reduces the white smoke issue. With Minion, the chunks start to heat up prior to igniting also, and again reduces the dreaded white smoke. I'm no expert, but I have read about this on several different forums....

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PostPosted: Jul 13 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timbo57 wrote:
The way I understand it is that the wood will smolder when it is "cold" and cause the unwanted white smoke. If it is heated before igniting, the smoldering process is reduced and vey little white smoke is created. Thus, placing splits on the fire box heats up the wood and reduces the white smoke issue. With Minion, the chunks start to heat up prior to igniting also, and again reduces the dreaded white smoke. I'm no expert, but I have read about this on several different forums....

Tim


Cool, thanks for the info. It's always nice to know why you're doing what you're doing.
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