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ChickenFoot



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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 6:08 am    Post subject: uds Reply with quote

what's guys - first time posting. i have been getting into smoking bbq and have gradually evolved from cooking butts in the oven and making my sauce, to a cheap brinkmann charcoal smoker to now wanting a "real" smoker and wanting to use wood and not charcoal. I've searching for a smoker for sale but after trolling this site for a while i'm beginning to think, why not a UDS? i have absolutely zero experience in building a smoker but i am thinking if I can find a drum, why not try it. so i found a listing on craigslist today for 55 gallon drums that had food grade liquid in them and removable tops. i just emailed him and asked for 2. he is asking 12$ each.

hopefully he emails me back so then at least the first hard part is over, getting the drum.

my next question, can you use wood only in a uds instead of charcoal?

thanks all. i look forward to this process and sharing the progress and of course some good ole bbq w/ a nice vinegar based sauce.

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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never tried straight splits in mine. I only use lump and flavor chunks for a long burn.
IMO you would lose that benefit. Plus, it would be a PITA adding more splits.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks jar - i was afraid of that answer. if i get 2 of them, may i find someone to help me out and turn one on it's side and have the other on the side of that one to be the fire box, basically making a shape like this

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l l
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would something like that work or am i way off base with that idea?

or i guess something like the T that the other guy posted, maybe the T would be easier as the cooker would then rest on the other drum (firebox) in that design.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

btw - my grandfather is a retired Lt. Col. of the Marines. Thanks for your service.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, welcome aboard ChickenFoot. Thank you.
If you want a sick burner out of two barrels, build a DBS.
There are some builds on here, but I couldn't find 'em. aka Big Baby. I didn't take any pics of my build, but here is the one I used to pattern mine from.
http://www.bbqsmokersite.com/double-barrel-smoker-big-baby/

Edit: I found it.
http://www.thesmokering.com/pits/metalpit/bigbaby/default.jsp
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn that is sick. i assume the barrel on the bottom is the firebox and for wood?

that is what i want to build or have someone help me build. that is the one!

the guy just emailed me back, looks like i am going to pick up two 55 gallon drums for 24$
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will need:
Top Barrel Kit x2 for a double exhaust to the cooking chamer.

Barrel Kit

3 Hinges, cooking grate, fire grate, about 15 fire bricks (are nice) and about 4 feet of 6" black flue (stove) pipe.

I guess I did take some pics.



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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks my friend. i'm as fired up as a novice bbq smoker can be right now. i'm off to pick up these drums. getting my wisdom teeth out on Tuesday so i'm going to be out of commission for a bit but hope to get started on this soon. i'll def. keep you posted. thanks for all of your help.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll need 3 barrels for a DBS. The third is for the door and diffuser.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 barrels? i don't see where I would need 3?

i just picked up the two barrels for 23$. they had high fructose corn syrup in them. the guy works for a candy factory. first task done.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is there any welding in this process? pardon my ignorance, this is all brand spanking new to me so I have no idea. it just looks like cutting and bolting on? someone tell me how off base i am.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the ring ChickenFoot, looking forward to seeing some pics of your cooks. Smile And following your cooker build. Smile
If you use the Voglezang kits you should not have to weld anything. If your are somewhat efficient with metal you could save some money and build the stand from angle iron and bolt it together.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24 10 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks K.A.M.

that is certainly refreshing, if no welding, i think i am going to give this a go on my own. I've never cut or worked with metal in any way but why not now. a buddy of mine owns a metal roofing company so I may enlist his help, but I want to do most of the work. I feel like my bbq will taste better that way, haha.

thanks for all the replies guys. sure is comforting to know there is a place like this to become informed.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25 10 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jar -

so are the dampers (that is what is on top of your bottom barrel, right?)
used to connect the flue or stove pipe to the top barrel?

or is the male/femal rings that come with the top barrel kit is what is used to connect the flues/barrels or is it both?

i'm just trying to make sure i have a complete grasp of all before I begin.

I am reading the directions on the big baby site you posted over and over again and looking at the parts on the links you provided and each time i read, i get a new revelation about what certian things mean.

thanks for your patience with me and thanks for the help.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25 10 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChickenFoot wrote:
jar -

so are the dampers (that is what is on top of your bottom barrel, right?)
used to connect the flue or stove pipe to the top barrel?

Yep, that is your connection and somewhat of a heat control to your cooking chamber.

or is the male/femal rings that come with the top barrel kit is what is used to connect the flues/barrels or is it both?

See above, the original one that came with the bottom is for your cooking chamber exhaust.

i'm just trying to make sure i have a complete grasp of all before I begin.

I am reading the directions on the big baby site you posted over and over again and looking at the parts on the links you provided and each time i read, i get a new revelation about what certian things mean.

thanks for your patience with me and thanks for the help.


I forgot about the 3rd barrel, as I had some old ECB parts and steel flat bar laying around.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25 10 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, maybe another light bulb went off. so the damper collars connect the flues to the barrels

and the male/female rings x 2 are for each exhaust or 1 set is for the exhaust and the other set is for the top part of the flues which go into the top barrel?

haha, i feel half retarted.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25 10 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will have a total of three collars with dampers. Use 2 for the connection from the top of the fire barrel to the cook chamber. I don't remember which sex (lol) it was.
Put the matching ones (no damper) on the bottom of the cook chamber.
The third one (dampered) is your cook chamber exhaust. At or above your grill in the cook chamber.
You will have extra parts left from the 2nd top kit. They no longer sell separate items.
If you need more pics send me a pm or email with your email addy and I will go out and get some.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25 10 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the top kits come with 1 male, 1 female, so your saying either use both males or both females on the bottom of the cook chamber? would i use whatever is the opposite of the dampers that are on the fire chamber? i.e. if the two collars with dampers are males, use two females on top or does that even matter, just make sure they are the same on the top barrel?

do i need a 3rd barrel? for what?
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PostPosted: Tue May 25 10 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the kit with the door comes with 1 collar w/ a damper, the top kit comes with collars with no damper. so if i need 3 dampered collars, the vozelgang site sells damper collars separate so do i need to purchase 2 extra damper collars?

1 kit w/ door = 1 damper collar

1 top kit = 2 collars w/ no damper

i need to get two extra collers w/ dampers to = 3 damper collers?

then also get an extra top kit so i can have matching male / female collars to connect the bottom of the cook chamber to the flues coming from the fire chamber?

hope that made sense. just send me a bill for your time dr. haha.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25 10 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChickenFoot wrote:
so the top kits come with 1 male, 1 female, so your saying either use both males or both females on the bottom of the cook chamber? would i use whatever is the opposite of the dampers that are on the fire chamber? i.e. if the two collars with dampers are males, use two females on top or does that even matter, just make sure they are the same on the top barrel?

I used the dampered collars on the fire barrel, cause I don't want to bend over to adjust them.

do i need a 3rd barrel? for what?

Cut door size + 1-2 inches for over lap. Make sure the ridges match up. Use another piece of it for a deflector over the fire box exhaust to even out the heat. Drill plenty of 3/4" holes in it.
I believe Mike Sells had a build site, but I can't find it anymore.
I guess, when I do my tear down and paint, I'll do a tutorial and post.



Here is a local one that incorporates Mikes build.
http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27797
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