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 Posted: Fri Feb 19 10 11:40 pm Post subject: My modification project with pics |
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I'm a cooker not a fabricator so I'm very nervous about chopping up my smoker in the hopes that I have a better cooker. However, I realize I waste a tremendous amount of wood using a burn barrel and want to get your thoughts on my ideas for modification. Based on the dimensions of the cooker 6' by 30" and using the "calculator" I believe I will need a firebox 2'x2'x29.5" with a 2'x6" gap between the firebox and cooking chamber. One concern I have is the size of the smoke stack. My intention is to create a reverse flow smoker so I would keep the smoke stack on side away from the firebox closed at all times but I'm concerned the smoke stack on the firebox side is too small to create the draw I need. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm not sure what size your exhaust is, but based on your pics. it does look a lil small. What's the diameter of the pipe?
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20 10 12:14 am Post subject: My modification project |
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joshshef1 the existing exhaust is 4" diameter x 2'. The calculator calls for 8" x 17". I'm wondering if I can just add another 4" exhaust placed on top of the cooker?
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20 10 1:51 am Post subject: Re: My modification project |
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| bootlegbbq wrote: | | joshshef1 the existing exhaust is 4" diameter x 2'. The calculator calls for 8" x 17". I'm wondering if I can just add another 4" exhaust placed on top of the cooker? |
8" pipe provides 50 square inches of area, while the 4" only has 12. So doubling up the 4" will only get you half-way.
The calculator says if you extended your 4" stack to 6 feet tall, you'd be all set with your intended firebox dimensions.
Otoh, doubling up with 4" diameter stacks would be the equivalent of a single 6" stack (rounding up from 5.6") and if you plug that 6" stack diameter into the calculator, the resulting stack height would come down to 30 inches.
So...if you added a second 4" stack to the firebox end and brought both stacks at that end up to 30" tall, you'd be good to rock and roll 
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bootlegbbq
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20 10 2:03 am Post subject: My modification project |
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Wow. Glad I asked. When we get started I'll post more pictures. Sorry for the formatting. This was my first time posting pictures. I think I figured out the problem and will open a new, more user friendly post next time. Thanks!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20 10 2:14 am Post subject: Re: My modification project |
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| bootlegbbq wrote: | | Wow. Glad I asked. When we get started I'll post more pictures. Sorry for the formatting. This was my first time posting pictures. I think I figured out the problem and will open a new, more user friendly post next time. Thanks! |
If you Edit your original post (top right corner - see the Edit icon?) to stack the pictures vertically (ie: stick line returns between the img tag pairs) it'll straighten out the whole thread
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bootlegbbq
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20 10 5:09 am Post subject: My modification project |
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Thanks day_trippr. Now on to the build.
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day_trippr...I just realized the measurement on my existing smoke stack is 4"OD and 3 1/2" ID. Will this change your calculations?
On the location of the firebox, I already have an existing opening where the coal drawer pulls out of the cooking chamber. Does the top of the firebox need to be within a certain distance to the top of the existing opening?
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A 3.5" ID stack doubled up with a second stack of the same ID would be equivalent to a single 5" ID stack. Using your earlier cook chamber & firebox dimensions, the spreadsheet recommends that a 5" ID stack should be 43" tall. Should be doable, I'd think.
As for the firebox-to-cook chamber connection: the optimum would have the top of the firebox opening as near as possible to the top of the firebox, to minimize if not eliminate any hindrance to outflow. And the top of the opening into the cook chamber (ie: the same elevation AGL) would be at the ideal height of a tuning or reverse-flow plate - which in turn would be at the ideal spacing to the bottom cooking grate.
So the "best" answer to your question is a bit more complex than fitting the firebox to an existing hole in the cooker...
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Thanks for your help day_trippr. You've answered all my questions, some of which I probably should have figured out  Since this is not something I do on a regular basis it is good to have you're input. 
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OK, I got my door and vents cut out but the guy who cut it out wasn't listening when I told him not to cut the corners completely out so that I could attach the hinges before completing the cut. Any thoughts on the best way to move forward so that my hinges work properly?
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bootlegbbq, your rebuild is looking fantastic y'all are doing some mighty fine work I am watching your progress and look forward to seeing some more pics.
If you are talking about your fire box door being cut loose before the hinges were attached, I would have gone the same way. Mounting hinges on a fixed door and then cutting it loose spells misery because they will almost always sag on you. It is better to kick the door up a bit then weld out the hinge to compensate for the sag in material. At least this is how I approach the idea.
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Thanks K.A.M....I had it all wrong. I was under the impression it was better to weld the hinges on, then finish cutting the door. Thanks for the input.
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Looking good bootlegbbq 
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Not sure if I will ever build my own but I love to look at everyone's projects.
Nice job!
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