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Rojellio Es Caliente BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 1581 Location: Grand Junction Colorado
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Posted: Feb 08 2010 Post subject: Pastrami in progress... |
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The first one I did was quite good.... AFTER a desalting treatment with Instant Potato. Here it is with Corned Beef Sliced out for vac-packing.
Spices for Dry Cure Rub
.38 Lb Garlic Flake
1 Cup brown sugar,
1 Tbsp per lb Tenderquick
2 tbsp Real Salt Brand Kosher Salt.
3 Tbsp "Rojellio Paprika" home smoked & dehydrated Red Bell Pepper.
3 tbsp Pepper Corns
1 tbsp crushed Juniper Berries
1 tbsp Caraway seed
1 1/2 tbsp Dill seed
1 tbsp Celery Seed
1 tbsp crushed Corriander
approx 2 tbsp Bay Leaf
I haven't decided yet on Finish Rub... but likely there garlic, peppercorn, and coriander involved
I worked the brisket over with Jacquard Tenderizer thingie. Apply Tenderquick, rub it in real good. Worked it over again with Jacquard thingie. Apply Spices. The pic is taken before I applied brown sugar.
Squeezed into Vac bag, and half vacuumed... to allow slack for later massaging. Fully vacuumed doesn't give you room to work it... and would likely not have sealed with all the juice sucked up to the sealer bar
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Feb 08 2010 Post subject: |
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I started two today, how long are you curing them for?
Here's the brine I'm using.
2 tbs whole peppercorns
1 1/2 tbs dry thyme
6 crumbled bay leaves
2 tsp whole cloves
1/4 cup of minced garlic
1Qt of water
3/4 cup of brown sugar
3/4 cup of kosher salt
1/4 tsp sodium nitrate / nitrite mix, the brine is per flat.
I got a 5.03lb and a 6.06lb pair of trimmed flats.
I'm going with 14 day cure, then they'll get rinsed with sliced potatoes for 6 - 8 hours.
Then they will get rubbed with.
4 tbs kosher salt
4 tbs paprika
3 tbs coriander seeds
3 tbs brown sugar
2 tbs black peppercorns
2 tbs yellow mustard seeds
1 tbs white peppercorns
8 cloves garlic, minced, each flat.
Then smoke for 4 - 5 hours, then put into a pan on a cooling rack, with 2 cups of water and foil over the pans to steam for 2 hours.
Allow to cool, chill to firm up the meat, then slice with the slicer and chow down! _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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Rojellio Es Caliente BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 1581 Location: Grand Junction Colorado
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Posted: Feb 08 2010 Post subject: |
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I will cure for 5 days, maybe its more like 5 1/2 since I will cook it Saturday. The Virtual Bullet site said 3 days for a flat. I cut out most of the big fat vein on the big side.. so its not much thicker than the point.
I got burned on saltiness last time.. So as part of my rinsing & soaking routine I am including Mashed Potato mix. Maybe even the night before, rinse, apply a good cup and water, then reseal in vac bag. _________________ Traeger 075 "Big Tex"
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Toga BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 2736 Location: Southern Michigan
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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be sure to post up pics  _________________ "if you cant cook it in bacon grease it ain't worth eating"
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Rojellio Es Caliente BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 1581 Location: Grand Junction Colorado
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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Pics will be forthcoming. ETA of pics... and EGT [ Estimated Gullet Time ] is Saturday.
I cracked open the vac pac, put in a good cups worth of artesian water.. to make it more liquid, brine like. and have more water for water soluble flavors and curing agents.. then resealed.
The daily "massage" involves a Rolling pin. Yes I am being careful not to puncture the bag.. The Stems and Seeds in the rub could do that. Not that I know bugger all about that issue.
Considering all the Pastramis Various Ringers have, at this moment... in various states of Pastramihood... we could have a throwdown like thread, with mile of Pastrami P00RN all in the same thread.. _________________ Traeger 075 "Big Tex"
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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I forgot to take pictures when I prepared them, I'll be turning mine tomorrow, I'll grab pictures then, and make sure I do more when I turn them again, and then when they are rubbed, smoked, cooled and steamed.
I pinky swear it!  _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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Cranky Buzzard BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 2385 Location: Plano, Texas
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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Rojellio, that sounds and looks GREAT! In another thread I'll start soon, I'll be talking about corned beef and you answered one of my questions, how to lose the salt!
KILLER idea on the potato flakes!
Now, about flakes... Where do you find garlic flakes? Do you make it? All I can find is powder...
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Limp Brisket BBQ Super Fan

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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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Could y'all elaborate a little more on the purpose and use of the potatoes? _________________ Lang 84 Deluxe Long Neck w/Char Grill
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k.a.m. BBQ Mega Star

Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 26020 Location: Southeast Texas.
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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Rojellio Es Caliente, that is some beautiful looking Pastrami. Nicely done my man.  _________________ Always remember slow and steady wins the race.
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killswitch505 BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 05 Apr 2009 Posts: 3921 Location: Hobbs, NM
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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You have to let me in on the potato flake trick. Ive got two loins Curing now and im a little scared that they might come out salty like my last salmon _________________ Club Disco
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Cranky Buzzard BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 2385 Location: Plano, Texas
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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| Limp Brisket wrote: | | Could y'all elaborate a little more on the purpose and use of the potatoes? |
Potatoes are natures salt suckers!
If you make beans, or ANYTHING else that has a juice, and it's too salty, you can throw in a chopped up tater or 2 and get rid of a lot of the salt. It takes a LITTLE time, but patience will pay off.
The potato flakes expedite this process I would think since you have a lower surface area with them than you do a chopped up potato!
This is a great idea and I plan to try it out on the upcoming corned beef project.
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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| Limp Brisket wrote: | | Could y'all elaborate a little more on the purpose and use of the potatoes? |
The old wives tale, (that I believe), is that if you have a product that is too salty, you can rinse it in water that is barely changing every 15 - 20 minutes, to help pull the salt out, use slices of raw potato in the water, and they will assist in pulling extra salt.
I'm not sure about the flakes one but if raw potato does it, I'd be surprised if the flakes didn't work in the same fashion. _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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Limp Brisket BBQ Super Fan

Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 499 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Thanks guys, a pastrami is in my near future, there are more of you doing them than I thought. _________________ Lang 84 Deluxe Long Neck w/Char Grill
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Rojellio Es Caliente BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 1581 Location: Grand Junction Colorado
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Posted: Feb 09 2010 Post subject: |
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Limp Brisket After the Pickle Cure process... the Brisket will be limper than usual.
The Potato Flakes work brilliant, and I will represent that as fact. When I first tried it... it was on my first attempt Pastrami a couple weeks ago. I admittedly had more salt than I should have. I rinsed it, I soaked it about 1 1/2 hours changing water twice, then rinsed again. After it was cooked.. it tasted saltier than raw salt. Maybe I'm exaggerating just a little.. but not by much.
The next day, after remembering SoEzzy mentioning the potato slice trick a few months back... I tested the potato flakes on some slices, and it worked. So I moved up to the hunks of meat. {The hunks of meat you see sliced out in the first of the thread} About one cup Potato Flake and about 1/2 cup water into the zip bag with the meat. I massaged it around, coating the meat. 2 hrs later I rinsed it really well, and sliced. It was 1000% improvement, and much more edible.
The night before cooking, I will rinse, put back in a vac bag, then put a good 2 cups maybe more Potato Flake, and cup or so of water. Before cooking I will rinse, the soak just in case.
Definitly if you go through the normal rinse and soak.. then get burned later... you can bring in the nuclear option to salvage an other wise lovely looking hunk of meat. I am going Nuclear to start with. _________________ Traeger 075 "Big Tex"
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Joined: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 377 Location: the netherlands
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Posted: Feb 10 2010 Post subject: |
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| Rojellio Es Caliente wrote: |
Considering all the Pastramis Various Ringers have, at this moment... in various states of Pastramihood... we could have a throwdown like thread, with mile of Pastrami P00RN all in the same thread.. |
that`s gonna be a looooong throwdown, with all the different brining and rubbing times and methods
good looking pastrami btw, nice color. _________________ offset smoker
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Rojellio Es Caliente BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 1581 Location: Grand Junction Colorado
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Posted: Feb 11 2010 Post subject: |
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| Cranky Buzzard wrote: |
Now, about flakes... Where do you find garlic flakes? Do you make it? All I can find is powder...
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Cranky The Garlic Flakes came from a Health Food Grocery type place, we have a "Vitamin Cottage" here, Whole Foods should have it to. In with Bulk spices. They also have Onion Flake. The Flakes are larger than granules, and more flake like than the granules... but mostly bigger and fresher. They also have small granules, and powder. Everything you might want for ANY Rub is in this bulk section. Usually they are pre-weighed, bagged and priced. The price is actually quite good, and considering how fresh and aromatic the spices are.
The only thing I was disappointed with is their Catnip. It wasn't the whole bud, high quality stuff the Cats prefer. Seriously, in a health food type place they should know this stuff.  _________________ Traeger 075 "Big Tex"
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SoEzzy BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 13183 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Feb 12 2010 Post subject: |
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Here's the first turn, I didn't have my cable at home so I had to bring them to work to download the pictures.
Next turn Friday night! _________________ Here's a change Robert.
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Rojellio Es Caliente BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 1581 Location: Grand Junction Colorado
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Posted: Feb 14 2010 Post subject: Pastrami in progress... Done |
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Potato Bath... Unbag and rinse brisket, pat instant potato flakes on {about 1 cup} soak about 1/2 hr agitate a time or two. Empty water. Apply another 1 cup Instant Potato Flake, soak for another 1/2 hr. Rinse thoroughly.
Finish Rub.
3 tbsp cracked black pepper
1 tbsp Cracked Coriander
2 tbsp Garlic Flake
1 tbsp Caraway seed
3 Tbsp Turbinado Sugar
1 Tbsp Paprika
I cooked about 4 hrs dry, I had a cookie sheet {water pan} on the drip plate before cooking began { Crumpled Tin foil shim stock cubes helped keep pan level } Add water, and cooked another 3 hrs. I could have pulled an hour earlier, but I wanted the fat good and rendered. Which it was.
I lightly toasted some rye bread in my 20 slice "low & slow Toaster" {Food Dehydrator} Plated with dinner salad. Earlier in the day there were some Baconless ABT's and Some ABT's. Filling up the dance floor, I had some Tandoori Chicken to vac pac for later.
The Instant Potato Flake Nuclear Option REALLY WORKS I might even use the trick on my next Bacon. {Bacon of the Pork Variety that is.} _________________ Traeger 075 "Big Tex"
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BigPhil32 BBQ Super Pro

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Posted: Feb 14 2010 Post subject: |
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wow Rojellio, you have turned in another masterpiece!!!! that is going on my to do list...thanks for sharing!!! _________________ 1 homemade UDS smoker
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Posted: Feb 14 2010 Post subject: Re: Pastrami in progress... Done |
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| Rojellio Es Caliente wrote: |
Potato Bath... Unbag and rinse brisket, pat instant potato flakes on {about 1 cup} soak about 1/2 hr agitate a time or two. Empty water. Apply another 1 cup Instant Potato Flake, soak for another 1/2 hr. Rinse thoroughly.
Finish Rub.
3 tbsp cracked black pepper
1 tbsp Cracked Coriander
2 tbsp Garlic Flake
1 tbsp Caraway seed
3 Tbsp Turbinado Sugar
1 Tbsp Paprika
I cooked about 4 hrs dry, I had a cookie sheet {water pan} on the drip plate before cooking began { Crumpled Tin foil shim stock cubes helped keep pan level } Add water, and cooked another 3 hrs. I could have pulled an hour earlier, but I wanted the fat good and rendered. Which it was.
I lightly toasted some rye bread in my 20 slice "low & slow Toaster" {Food Dehydrator} Plated with dinner salad. Earlier in the day there were some Baconless ABT's and Some ABT's. Filling up the dance floor, I had some Tandoori Chicken to vac pac for later.
The Instant Potato Flake Nuclear Option REALLY WORKS I might even use the trick on my next Bacon. {Bacon of the Pork Variety that is.} |
Nice!
I gotta say though the meat is almost a purple color here on my 'puter. I have noticed on some of your other pics the colors are off also, what gives? |
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