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PostPosted: Nov 12 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBQDawg wrote:
Being a service member, i have the pleasure of residing in Boston, Ma for a few years. I know, im a fish out of water here. Boston is home to a few great chop houses too, Grill 23 being my new nationwide favorite.

Daytrippr-Thanks for holding off on the keel hauling.


ahahahaha! No problem, man! Dad was tough, but fair! Laughing

Have you eaten at The Capital Grille on Newbury Street? If so, how would you compare it to Grill 23? I've eaten at the former and enjoyed the food immensely (fantastic dry aged Delmonico!) but could have done without the side action at the bar (pumas chasing rich old dudes Rolling Eyes )

They're both chains, but their Boston 'rants are both rated quite well wrt the actual food...

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Okay I'm confusing BBQDAWG and DawgPhan.


DawgPhan - enjoy the meal and let me know how it goes. Obviously the macon comments were directed for you.

BBQDAWG - thanks for the website rec. Can you reccomend any bottles that really struck your fancy?
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PostPosted: Nov 12 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GOON'S D wrote:
Has anyone tried to dry age their beef with success? Is it tough to do? Buy some large meat cuts wrap in cheese cloth and toss in the back of the fridge for a month?

Our local BJ's has the whole NY Strip for 4.99 a pound. I really want to buy it and try to dry age it. However it is 75 bucks and I really don't want to f' it up.


If you have a dedicated fridge you could probably get away with a wet aging in the cryovak. I have done some dry aging in a separate fridge before, but only for a week or so. I just think that you have to be so careful with that sort of thing and you would be better off going with wet aging until you can be sure you can keep your fridge at the right temp, about 35-36 degrees, for an extended length of time.


Special lights are also used to create the right enviroment, i forget what kind. It can be done, but can be riskey. I worked a at Country Club that never sold many steaks, we had a ribeye in the walkin open over two weeks then we got an order. The head chef had me trim away the green and use the rest. He then took a little slice off and put it on the grill for a second then had me taste. I had only eaten cheap steaks cooked medium up to then and this was blood rare still cold. And it was wonderful.
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PostPosted: Nov 12 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

day_trippr wrote:
BBQDawg wrote:
Being a service member, i have the pleasure of residing in Boston, Ma for a few years. I know, im a fish out of water here. Boston is home to a few great chop houses too, Grill 23 being my new nationwide favorite.

Daytrippr-Thanks for holding off on the keel hauling.


ahahahaha! No problem, man! Dad was tough, but fair! Laughing

Have you eaten at The Capital Grille on Newbury Street? If so, how would you compare it to Grill 23? I've eaten at the former and enjoyed the food immensely (fantastic dry aged Delmonico!) but could have done without the side action at the bar (pumas chasing rich old dudes Rolling Eyes )

They're both chains, but their Boston 'rants are both rated quite well wrt the actual food...

Cheers!


I have eaten at both the Capital Grille (NEwton and Providence) and MOrton's on Boylston. I like Morton's more than Capital Grille. Personally. I am happy to hear that Morton's is opening up another boston location that is not in the basement. Going ot be over in fan pier in Southie.
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PostPosted: Nov 13 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am a big delmonico fan. If the delmonicos dont look appealing i'll settle for a Tbone or good looking ribeye. Find a couple that are nicely marbled and sprinkle with sea salt and a touh of fresh cracked black pepper. Cook them hot and fast over a bed of lump. I grilled up a few sunday night for dinner. They were mighty tasty.


So what is a Delmonico? I have always heard it was just a another name for a ribeye...is it s different cut or something?

This thread should be crossed with the thread about broiling a steak...how do you think the Ruth's Chris cooks them @ 1800? It aint on a charcoal grill...

Also I am going to Rathbun's STEAK on thursday...i will let you guys know how the steak is there..


A Delmonico is a a boneless top sirloin, almost two inches thick with delicate marbling
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PostPosted: Nov 13 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

below is an email that i sent to some friends. this is how i do steaks...usually rib-eyes, but i've done this on tips, strips, and chuck-eyes. i promise you'll like it if you give it a try.

this rub is based on another rub i stole from the internet. the original one only calls for garlic, salt, pepper, oregano(instead of the rosemary), thyme, and paprika. my brother has done the original and liked the results. i've added pretty much everything in the spice rack, i can't help myself.


2-3cloves garlic, minced fine, add a pinch of salt and smash with broad side of knife, kind of into a paste
4t kosher salt (don't get all crazy...3t=1T)
1T cracked black pepper
1T chili powder
2t brown sugar (i use light)
2t coffee (ground)
1t dried thyme (crumble with your fingers)
1t dried rosemary (crumbled)
1t paprika
1t cumin
1t ground mustard
dash or 2 of crushed red pepper

mix all ingredients in bowl. smash up any remaining garlic pieces with a fork...you won't get them all, there will be some pilly pieces in there.

1-take steaks out of fridge 1hr before you are going to cook them
2-remove steaks from packaging and dry with paper towel
3-lightly oil steaks (olive, veg, canola, whatever)
4-apply rub to steaks (generously...pat it on, rub it in, whatever...just get it on, all over)
5-let steaks sit on counter for remainder of hr (covered with plastic wrap or foil)
6-cook steaks to your liking ("your liking" should be rare to med rare...any more than med rare and you ruined your steak. actually the more i think of it, med rare is too done. to truely enjoy a steak the way it is meant to be enjoyed it must be cooked rare to just shy of medium rare. this is not my opinion, it is FACT. also, i could go on and on about how you should cook your steak on the grill, ie: grill temp, lid up or down, rotating, turning, etc...but that is another email)
7-remove steaks from grill, put a couple small pats of butter on each steak, loosely cover steaks with foil and DO NOT TOUCH for 5-10 minutes...set the table, make the mashed potatoes, have another drink, or sit quietly staring at eachother...just don't touch the steaks
8-enjoy delicious red meat
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Toga wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:
Toga wrote:
I am a big delmonico fan. If the delmonicos dont look appealing i'll settle for a Tbone or good looking ribeye. Find a couple that are nicely marbled and sprinkle with sea salt and a touh of fresh cracked black pepper. Cook them hot and fast over a bed of lump. I grilled up a few sunday night for dinner. They were mighty tasty.


So what is a Delmonico? I have always heard it was just a another name for a ribeye...is it s different cut or something?

This thread should be crossed with the thread about broiling a steak...how do you think the Ruth's Chris cooks them @ 1800? It aint on a charcoal grill...

Also I am going to Rathbun's STEAK on thursday...i will let you guys know how the steak is there..


A Delmonico is a a boneless top sirloin, almost two inches thick with delicate marbling


You didnt read the rest of the wikipedia article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmonico_steak
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ckone wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:
GOON'S D wrote:
Has anyone tried to dry age their beef with success? Is it tough to do? Buy some large meat cuts wrap in cheese cloth and toss in the back of the fridge for a month?

Our local BJ's has the whole NY Strip for 4.99 a pound. I really want to buy it and try to dry age it. However it is 75 bucks and I really don't want to f' it up.


If you have a dedicated fridge you could probably get away with a wet aging in the cryovak. I have done some dry aging in a separate fridge before, but only for a week or so. I just think that you have to be so careful with that sort of thing and you would be better off going with wet aging until you can be sure you can keep your fridge at the right temp, about 35-36 degrees, for an extended length of time.


Special lights are also used to create the right enviroment, i forget what kind. It can be done, but can be riskey. I worked a at Country Club that never sold many steaks, we had a ribeye in the walkin open over two weeks then we got an order. The head chef had me trim away the green and use the rest. He then took a little slice off and put it on the grill for a second then had me taste. I had only eaten cheap steaks cooked medium up to then and this was blood rare still cold. And it was wonderful.


they are just anti bacterial lights...UV type bulbs that kill bacteria. You can probably get away with not using them for shorter periods at home or for smaller cuts. I am sure that restaurant use them because serving bad food and losing a whole refer unit of steaks is a costly mistake...and they also tend to age for much longer...also some places use sea salt blocks to help control the bacteria.
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PostPosted: Nov 13 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

DawgPhan wrote:
Toga wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:
Toga wrote:
I am a big delmonico fan. If the delmonicos dont look appealing i'll settle for a Tbone or good looking ribeye. Find a couple that are nicely marbled and sprinkle with sea salt and a touh of fresh cracked black pepper. Cook them hot and fast over a bed of lump. I grilled up a few sunday night for dinner. They were mighty tasty.


So what is a Delmonico? I have always heard it was just a another name for a ribeye...is it s different cut or something?

This thread should be crossed with the thread about broiling a steak...how do you think the Ruth's Chris cooks them @ 1800? It aint on a charcoal grill...

Also I am going to Rathbun's STEAK on thursday...i will let you guys know how the steak is there..


A Delmonico is a a boneless top sirloin, almost two inches thick with delicate marbling


You didnt read the rest of the wikipedia article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmonico_steak


I did read the rest of the article. Go to a decent butcher shop anywhere in Michigan ask for a delmonico and you will get a wonderful perfectly marbled steak 1.5-2 inches thick that is cut from a from boneless top sirloin. I can snap a couple pics for you the next time I pick up a batch of them if you would like.
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PostPosted: Nov 13 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toga wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:
Toga wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:
Toga wrote:
I am a big delmonico fan. If the delmonicos dont look appealing i'll settle for a Tbone or good looking ribeye. Find a couple that are nicely marbled and sprinkle with sea salt and a touh of fresh cracked black pepper. Cook them hot and fast over a bed of lump. I grilled up a few sunday night for dinner. They were mighty tasty.


So what is a Delmonico? I have always heard it was just a another name for a ribeye...is it s different cut or something?

This thread should be crossed with the thread about broiling a steak...how do you think the Ruth's Chris cooks them @ 1800? It aint on a charcoal grill...

Also I am going to Rathbun's STEAK on thursday...i will let you guys know how the steak is there..


A Delmonico is a a boneless top sirloin, almost two inches thick with delicate marbling


You didnt read the rest of the wikipedia article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmonico_steak


I did read the rest of the article. Go to a decent butcher shop anywhere in Michigan ask for a delmonico and you will get a wonderful perfectly marbled steak 1.5-2 inches thick that is cut from a from boneless top sirloin. I can snap a couple pics for you the next time I pick up a batch of them if you would like.


well I am rarely at a decent butcher shop in michigan...and considering the article says that delmonico can refer to 8 different cuts or the presentation or the place you get it and someone else in the article said it was a bone in ribeye, it would seem that there is more than a little dissension when it comes to the definition.
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PostPosted: Nov 13 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just called my butcher. They can ordered dry aged beef but have to buy the whole roast. Inquiring about the ribeye right now. Crossing my fingers that I can afford it.
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$19.99 for the dry aged ribeye and you have to buy the whole ribeye. Shocked She said the smallest they've gotten is 12 lbs.

Might have to keep looking.
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Ate @ Rathbun's Steak last night and while I wouldn't call it the perfect steak it was very good. We sampled a lot of the menu at our table and the service was pretty good. It wasnt the best service I have ever had, but it was solid. Bill with tip for 5 people was $500 and we all had wine and liquor.

Steaks
Dry Aged Porterhouse
Dry Aged Ribeye
Fillet

Fish
Trout

Sides
Jalapeno Creamed Corn
Silver Queen Grits
Mashed Potatoes
Mac and Cheese Tart
Braised Brussels Sprouts
Smoked Greens

Apps
Crab Cakes
Lobster Fritters
Dry Aged Eye of Rib Carpaccio

The crab cakes and carpaccio were excellent. The Carpaccio was velvety and tender. The crab cakes were moist and delicious. The lobster fritters weren't great...the lobster seemed rubbery and there was a lot of batter.

All of the sides were great. My wife, mother and mother inlaw all raved about the smoked greens and Brussels sprouts.

MIL had the trout, said it was good. I had sampled all the steaks and they were all well cooked and nicely seasoned...the dry aged beef some very buttery and tender.

Over all it was a great time and we will be heading back in febuary for the standard guy's day meat-a-thon...they also offer cigars on the menu and have a smoking room. Will certainly have to look into that next trip.


Very Happy
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Sounds excellent. Read about those greens. Sounded ridiculous. I have a soft spot in my heart for carpaccio (well all things raw really: oysters, tartare, sushi, etc). A cigar and a nice cordial would go fantastic after that meal.

I most say that I am not a huge fan of trout. Probably because I've eatin so much farmed raised trout in my life that it just grosses me out.
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Go by you local meat market if you have one or go to the grocery store and get some nice quality cuts 2 to 2 1/2" thick cuts. Take them home and place them in a bowl tequilla and viva italian dressing or worcestershire and viva italian dressing. Place them in a cooler full of ice for a couple of days and head to deer camp. Go hunting, tell old hunting stories, tell lies that everyone has heard at least 10 time in several different ways, drink a few more drinks and build a nice campfire get a good bed of coals and place your grate over your campfire. Walk over to the cooler get the marinated meat out grab some garlic or montreal steak seasoning, ground pepper and some sea salt, your choice. Sprinkle just a tad on the meat and lay it on the very hot grate. I like to turn mine every few minutes some like to leave it on each side for a longer time than I do. Both ways seem to work but turning it I get a good feel for what I am looking for. I use tongs to turn it never poking a hole in the steaks to keep the moisture in. Take the meat off share with friends and hear a sweet peaceful quiteness come over the camp while the meat melts in your mouth. Well that is what we do every year first week of deer season. Just got back and the steaks were t-bones and ribeyes. Cant beat a good steak over a campfire in my book.
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RLane22- did you just say to go to the butcher and get two good cuts of meat, then drown them in Tequlia and Italian dressing?

Wow, i almost got keel hauled by daytripprs old man for saying that i was cooking a steak to medium. I hope you dont use good tequlia, that would be a sin, or good Italian dressing for that matter.

Kingofcool-Just picked up a bottle of Stranahans, its waiting patiently on the counter for my kids to go to bed. I'll let you know how i like it tommorow.
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I raise my own beef it is all grass fed Angus. That said, when it come to grilling the perfect steak I'm not to choosy as I like it all. My favorite cut is Ribeye followed by Sirloin then NY strip. The cast iron pan method produces a very tasty steak indeed.
When it comes to grilling I don't season at all. I light 2 chimneys of lump and dump them to one side of the Weber so that it is touching the grate and slopes to the center put on the lid and get it good and hot with intake and exhaust wide open after 5 min I plug in a hairdryer and direct it to the intake for 5 min now the grate is glowing red close to 1100 deg. Then the steak goes on 3 min per side then off the fire lid up the Kettle 4 min pull it and let it rest 10 min. when it comes off the fire I hit it with sea salt cracked pepper and a roasted garlic compound butter.
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For the home cook, Meatgarden captured the best thoughts. I used to consider it sacrilege to cook a steak in the kitchen, BBQ was always a must!

But I was wrong; I started to realize that the best steaks that I ate were prepared in a kitchen (at my favorite restaurants). My favorite cut has always been filet mignon; I love a good NY Steak, Rib-eye, or Porterhouse, but I eat smaller quantities now, and filet s the priciest cut for one reason - it is the best you can get.

I prefer filet mignon wrapped in bacon and finished with a Jack Daniels bourbon and cream reduction sauce; Here is the recipe that I use:


Pull Filet(s) out of fridge to warm to room temp. Preheat oven to 375 degrees.

Wrap the side of each steak with a bacon strip and secure with bakers twine or by tooth picking bacon ends to steak. Sprinkle steaks with kosher salt and freshly ground course black peppercorns (about 1/4 tsp each per side for average steaks).

Per each steak prepare: 1 three inch stem of fresh rosemary, 3 mushrooms (button or crimini) sliced into 1/4” slices, and 1 clove garlic finely minced, and one pat (tablespoon) of butter.

Heat cast iron pan to med-high heat; brown the baconed sides of the steak (about 1 min per side), then brown one flat side of the steak for 3 minutes. Turn steak and brown for 1 minute.

Then add Rosemary (lay on top of filet). Place pan in oven for 8-12 minutes for Med-Rare, depending on steak size/quantity at 375 degrees (8 minutes for one 8 oz steak). A few minutes before end of oven time, toss in mushrooms, and a pat of butter to the side of the steak. Steak is medium rare when its internal temperature reaches 128-130 degrees Fahrenheit.

Pull steak put of pan and place on serving platter and discard Rosemary sprig(s); then place pan on a medium heat burner. Add 1 clove of chopped garlic, and sauté with mushrooms for a minute. Deglaze pan with 2 Tablespoons of Jack Daniels Bourbon. Add a tablespoon or two of Heavy Whipping Cream shortly after. Reduce and stir sauce until desired consistency is reached. Pour mushrooms and sauce over steaks and serve.
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BBQDawg wrote:
RLane22- did you just say to go to the butcher and get two good cuts of meat, then drown them in Tequlia and Italian dressing?

Wow, i almost got keel hauled by daytripprs old man for saying that i was cooking a steak to medium. I hope you dont use good tequlia, that would be a sin, or good Italian dressing for that matter.

Kingofcool-Just picked up a bottle of Stranahans, its waiting patiently on the counter for my kids to go to bed. I'll let you know how i like it tommorow.



Well only a few of us like them rare to medium rare the rest want them medium to medium well. I know I know but thats the way they like them. Shoot no use cheapo tequila not the good stuff and i use Viva italian on most all my marinades because i have had great success with it.
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