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PostPosted: Nov 13 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job on those. That plasma work is top notch. Great looking UDSs well thought out. Look forward to seeing some smoke in them!
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mtrammel wrote:
Nice job on those. That plasma work is top notch. Great looking UDSs well thought out. Look forward to seeing some smoke in them!


Thanks allot! The plasma work was done on a computer programmed high definition plasma cutter on a water table.
I'm really excited about testing and getting to use it this weekend. Just hope I get to!
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PostPosted: Nov 13 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job on the charcoal basket. Up the diameter on that plasma cut and you got a cooking grate.
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PostPosted: Nov 13 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

That plasma cut grate looks awesome! Any time I can make something myself instead of buying a premade one, I feel more proud of the build.

I agree with the post above. You can make a cooking grate or two with the same design and slightly larger holes.
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Near ready now.... I gotta do this quick I need to leave for a 2 hour drive to south side of Chi-Town.

here's the charcoal basket. Real happy how this turned out


a look inside


Not bad... not so ugly now


painter thought 1 quart of paint would do 2 units but he was wrong. I'll paint the lid later tonight


I'll have more. Hope to give it a teat run later today. Hopefully I'll have enough time. Maybe some chickens tomorrow....
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12TH AV SMOKERS Man your charcoal basket is fine !

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Ok I got home and mounted the thermometer... after I dropped it and broke the face!!! I needed to buy a another one & better one so I guess I better soon..
but anyways I loaded the basket with 8.8 lbs of Schnucks Lump for the test.. it's been a couple hours and I have the mounted therm at 225-230 and the oven therm on the grate iniside at 250. The inside therm is more centrally located so that might be correct. My side mount therm only has a 3" probe. Valve fully open and all nipples closed.
So far so good.. can't wait to add meat. This site is awesome. Thank you all!
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12TH AV SMOKERS wrote:
Ok I got home and mounted the thermometer... after I dropped it and broke the face!!! I needed to buy a another one & better one so I guess I better soon..
but anyways I loaded the basket with 8.8 lbs of Schnucks Lump for the test.. it's been a couple hours and I have the mounted therm at 225-230 and the oven therm on the grate iniside at 250. The inside therm is more centrally located so that might be correct. My side mount therm only has a 3" probe. Valve fully open and all nipples closed.
So far so good.. can't wait to add meat. This site is awesome. Thank you all!


You might try drilling a small hole through a 3/4" bolt and mounting it into the side of the drum just below the grate. Then you can put a turkey fryer thermometer (with a 12" probe) in the hole that will give you the temp right under the grate and have the dial visible from the outside. I got the idea from K.A.M. on his post of his wife's UDS and it seems to work great so far. My $0.02
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So if you're using a long probe on your thermometer then it must be removed every time you need the charcoal basket removed.... is that correct?

Had a little difficulty keep the temp up... too hot with the caps off the other nipples but not hot enough with just the ball valve all the way open. Is this exhausting enough? I see others with just the standard Weber exhaust holes on their lids so I assumed I'd be allright.
Trying it again right now. I'll try chicken today. Nothing special with it I just need some test meat.
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So if you're using a long probe on your thermometer then it must be removed every time you need the charcoal basket removed.... is that correct?

Had a little difficulty keep the temp up... too hot with the caps off the other nipples but not hot enough with just the ball valve all the way open. Is this exhausting enough? I see others with just the standard Weber exhaust holes on their lids so I assumed I'd be allright.
Trying it again right now. I'll try chicken today. Nothing special with it I just need some test meat.
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12TH AV SMOKERS wrote:
So if you're using a long probe on your thermometer then it must be removed every time you need the charcoal basket removed.... is that correct?


That's probably true - I have to back my 8" long top grate thermometer out most of the way to get my water pan out when I want to crank up the heat to crisp up the finishing sauce I use at the end of a rib cook. But it's no biggie and only happens once during a cook.

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Had a little difficulty keep the temp up... too hot with the caps off the other nipples but not hot enough with just the ball valve all the way open. Is this exhausting enough? I see others with just the standard Weber exhaust holes on their lids so I assumed I'd be allright.


It's not an exhaust problem if you can get the heat up with the caps removed and the same lid in place, and as you say lots of UDS rigs use the same lid. If you're hitting 250°F at the top grate with one ball valve open, that's pretty much what the design is supposed to do.

If you routinely want to hit higher temperatures, add a second ball valve...

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Thanks!
I didn't explain too well. I do have a therm mounted on the side with a 3/4" hole. My pics didn't show it because I hadn't installed it yet. OK, it was at 250 but after a 5 hours it was 200 and below with the valve open and nipples plugged. Removing a plug made the temp rise too much.
I started another burn already today with a modification. I turned the ball valve so that it's parallel to the ground rather than vertical. Seems to be helping. Might be easier for the air to draw through??? I wouldn't think so because so many have tall pipes on the sides. Maybe I just did a better job of startiing the coals???
3.5 hours into the burn and it's at 250 on both therms !!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Here chicky chicky .....
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Update: 5 hours into this run. Temp was low so removed 1 pipe plug. Came up to 250 real fast. Added chicken an hour ago. Still at 250 with 4 chickens loaded up....
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12TH AV SMOKERS wrote:
So if you're using a long probe on your thermometer then it must be removed every time you need the charcoal basket removed.... is that correct?


That is correct. I didn't worry about having take the thermometer out because I should only have to do it once or maybe twice per cook. If you are interested in this idea, let me know and I can get you some pics.
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12TH AV SMOKERS wrote:
Update: 5 hours into this run. Temp was low so removed 1 pipe plug. Came up to 250 real fast. Added chicken an hour ago. Still at 250 with 4 chickens loaded up....


Sounds good man! Let us know how they come out!

I was reading your earlier post about having trouble getting good air flow with the pipe nipple extensions. I had the same issue last night. I have two extensions with ball valves and I ended up opening the pipe cap that I had on the third fitting on the back of the smoker to get the temp to go high enough.
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Well ain't that a sweet looking UDS. Nice job on everything.
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Thanks everyone for the comments and answers.... you've put me on the track to a sweet smoker. I love it already. Well here's a pic of the first cook on the UDS. I've got to make some mods to a couple of things.
But all in all I'm very happy with the first real run yesterday.
1) need more thermometers and they need longer probes. At first they were reading the same then later on I was getting different readings from the side mounted one (1" under the grate) and the one sitting on the grate. I think the side mount needs a longer probe so I'll move that to the cover and buy a new one for the side.
Maybe better quality??

2) I know earlier I said it got too hot with plugs removed but on yesterdays burn I needed all three air inlets 100% open to keep it near or at 250. When loaded with food.
I originally had a pipe on the inside of the valved inlet leading to the center of the barrel. I removed it but I might put it back in to see if it'll feed the center of the coals better. Think it'll help??

3) Exhaust ?? I asked earlier and tended to agree that I didn't need it but now I'm wondering.

Well that's enough here's the pic... turned out to be good eats too

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Thanks everyone for the comments and answers.... you've put me on the track to a sweet smoker. I love it already. Well here's a pic of the first cook on the UDS. I've got to make some mods to a couple of things.
But all in all I'm very happy with the first real run yesterday.
1) need more thermometers and they need longer probes. At first they were reading the same then later on I was getting different readings from the side mounted one (1" under the grate) and the one sitting on the grate. I think the side mount needs a longer probe so I'll move that to the cover and buy a new one for the side.
Maybe better quality??

2) I know earlier on Sat. I said it got too hot on my test burn with plugs removed but on yesterdays burn I needed all three air inlets 100% open to keep it near or at 250. When loaded with food.
So Iwas thinking, that can be dangerous, I originally had a pipe on the inside of the valved inlet leading to the center of the barrel. I removed it but I was thinking of putting it back in to see if it'll feed the center of the coals better. Think it'll help??

3) Exhaust ?? I asked earlier and tended to agree that I didn't need it larger but now I'm wondering.

Well that's enough here's the pic... turned out to be good eats too

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Those are some photogenic birds you cooked there, 12TH AV SMOKERS! Very Happy They look super!

On your cook, here's what I'm thinking: first cooks are almost always total learning experiences. There are little knacks that you quickly learn with respect to the kind of fuel you use, how much you load, how much lit coals you use to get the cook started and how you place them, how to set your intakes at first light and then learning how to sneak up to your goal temp, accounting for overshoots, and learning to close the intakes before opening the lid, and loading food quickly Very Happy and so on.

Your charcoal basket is stellar, and you have a tight fitting kettle lid with the typical exhaust damper. If you followed the general guidelines on UDS intakes (four 3/4" nipples, three with caps, one with a ball valve) you have followed in a long, virtually unbroken line of success, with respect to design.

The rest is just a learning process, and I expect with each cook you'll be happier with both the cook and the result. Very Happy

By the way: what kind of charcoal were you using?

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day_trippr wrote:
Those are some photogenic birds you cooked there, 12TH AV SMOKERS! Very Happy They look super!

Your charcoal basket is stellar, and you have a tight fitting kettle lid with the typical exhaust damper. If you followed the general guidelines on UDS intakes (four 3/4" nipples, three with caps, one with a ball valve) you have followed in a long, virtually unbroken line of success, with respect to design.

The rest is just a learning process, and I expect with each cook you'll be happier with both the cook and the result. Very Happy

By the way: what kind of charcoal were you using?

Cheers!


Thanks day_trippr. The chicken turned out great real moist and good flavor.
Actually I only have 3 air inlets. I might need to add one but I'll likely wait for another cook or two before I do that. I'm hoping to get another chance to learn this weekend. Probably try some ribs. Wait n see what looks good at Sam's on Friday.

I was using a combination of what was left in the basket from my initial burn on Sat which was Full Circle (Schnucks) lump but most of it was fresh RO lump. I used about a dozen lit briquettes to start the basket. Then I placed the coals in one spot in the basket on top of the lump.
Do I need to spread them out across the whole surface?

BTW. My girlfriend and my roomie think I'm smoker crazy... Very Happy Embarassed I am right now! Almost took the day off just to cook something up. If I had meat waiting in the fridge I guarantee I'd be at home.Rolling Eyes
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