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whiskeyfinder
Joined: 12 Jul 2009 Posts: 8
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Posted: Jul 23 2009 Post subject: "Texas Crutch" |
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So I've been reading some books by Mike Mills and Paul Kirk, and both guys rail against the "Texas Crutch" (foiling meat during cooking). I'm thinking this weekend of abandoning that technique, as they make some convincing arguments against it.
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Smokin' Hoglegs BBQ Pro

Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 670 Location: Venice FL
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Lots do, lots don't! It's up to you what you like better. _________________ 22.5" weber kettle x3
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k.a.m. BBQ Mega Star

Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 26020 Location: Southeast Texas.
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whiskeyfinder, it depends solely on what I am cooking and if I get in a time crunch. On ribs I do not like to foil, but if Mrs.K.A.M. wants fall off the bone ribs then I need to foil and will. On Butts I do not like to foil But if I do not get an early enough start or something else arises I will foil. I almost always foil my chucks at 165° to 170° because I do not care for marinades on my chucks and they tend to dry out. I always plan ahead for briskets because I will almost never foil them. This is my approach on the foiling, I am sure others have their ideas or techniques. _________________ Always remember slow and steady wins the race.
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smokin ernie BBQ Fan

Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 264 Location: Wilmington MA
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I have pretty much done away with foiling. I can see for something that may dry out like KAM says but haven't cooked a chuck so really can't comment on that. It does becomes a pain in the butt (no pun intented) when you have to foil a lot of food.
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Pigslips BBQ Pro

Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 576 Location: Vineyard Country, Oregon
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I can see that foiling a large smoked would be a pain. When we ran a 700 pound smoker we would never foil, but now it's another story. Bottom line is taste and whatever toots your whistle..........  _________________
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zilla BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 1190 Location: Universal City, Texas
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Try one sheet of unwaxed butcher paper instead fo foil. By the way, who are Mike Mills and Paul Kirk?  _________________ Zilla
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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I foil just about everything. Poultry is the exception....well, and ABTs...oh, and sausages...but pretty much everything else. Seems to work for me....as far as I can tell. I've tried no foil, but I like foil better.
...but that's just me.  _________________ Mike
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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| zilla wrote: | Try one sheet of unwaxed butcher paper instead fo foil. By the way, who are Mike Mills and Paul Kirk?  |
If I'm not mistaken, Mike Mills is the bass player for R.E.M., I'm not sure about the other guy.  _________________ Mike
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Tony Jabroni Newbie

Joined: 02 May 2009 Posts: 64 Location: Brew City, WI
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I will foil ribs but that is about it. _________________ Looks like I picked the wrong week....
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zilla BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 09 Jul 2005 Posts: 1190 Location: Universal City, Texas
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Those two non Texan yahoos!
They ought to know about a crutch! The Kansas City crutch is the worst of all !!
Bunch of nasty thick gloppy BBQ sauce smeared all over there nasty hickory smoked meat! HA!
I guess I should be glad I wouldn't have to taste it EH!
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daddywoofdawg BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 3892 Location: Starkweather,ND
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I've tried it both ways I didn't know about foiling till lately.I foiled some ribs the other day like the juiceness but the outside bottom was like pan fried so I don't know yet which way on ribs.when I hear about plastic wrap do they mean saran type wrap or the heavy duty rant type wrap?and can you really use it in a smoker? _________________ Good BBQ is all smoke and beers!
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MooniesBBQ BBQ Pro

Joined: 21 Jul 2009 Posts: 505 Location: Flowery Branch, GA
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Foil is like dutch oven cooking. It introduces a new, humid environment for meat. It's like an oven in an oven. Look at it this way...
In physics, the term [energy] describes the amount of work which may potentially be done by forces within a system. Changes in energy in systems can only be accomplished by adding or subtracting energy from them, as energy is a quantity which is conserved. (Loosely, changes in the energy of systems also coincide with changes in the system's mass).
When you wrap your food, your preserving the energy conservation system. When you don't wrap, moisture from your food naturally wants to convert from a solid(moisture) to steam(vapor). This requires the moisture in your meat to extract energy(not very efficiently) from your meat to convert to a gas(vapor). When wrapping your restricting the conversion process. By wrapping your meat your creating a mini ecosystem inside another ecosystem. Email Newton@Smartkids.org for more information
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Oregon smoker BBQ All Star
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 6246 Location: Portland, OR
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put your big girl pants on and leave the foil in the house or for your neighbors that are learning how to follow your endeavors.
the only absolute reason i use it is if i am pressed for time. there is nothing worse than a yard full of guys wanting to open the lid every 15 minutes. proclaiming "Damn, that smells good, when are we eating."
i have one friend that still wears scars on his hand cause he couldnt keep his stupid a$$ away from the smoker....last time he got that close. now he is the one that tells everyone stay away, "let him do what needs to be done". and he now gets first treats off the cutting board.  |
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saltwatercowboy BBQ Fan

Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 214 Location: Canton, GA
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I am also interested in knowing if anyone wraps in plastic wrap under the foil. I saw that on a video posted here awhile back.
As far as wrapping. I usually don't. Just curious about the plastic wrap. _________________ Stumps 223
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BBQMAN BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 15475 Location: Florida
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| allsmokenofire wrote: | I foil just about everything. Poultry is the exception....well, and ABTs...oh, and sausages...but pretty much everything else. Seems to work for me....as far as I can tell. I've tried no foil, but I like foil better.
...but that's just me.  |
Well, that's just me as well!  _________________ BBQMAN
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BBQMAN BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 15475 Location: Florida
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| Oregon smoker wrote: | put your big girl pants on and leave the foil in the house or for your neighbors that are learning how to follow your endeavors.
the only absolute reason i use it is if i am pressed for time. there is nothing worse than a yard full of guys wanting to open the lid every 15 minutes. proclaiming "Damn, that smells good, when are we eating."
i have one friend that still wears scars on his hand cause he couldnt keep his stupid a$$ away from the smoker....last time he got that close. now he is the one that tells everyone stay away, "let him do what needs to be done". and he now gets first treats off the cutting board.  |
Ask Myron Mixon what size girl pants he wears.
Let us know how that works out for ya'.  _________________ BBQMAN
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milt BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 1233 Location: June-OCT N.Y. Nov-May FL
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Sounds like foiling is a prophylactic measure, nothing like practising safe Q-ing.  _________________ Curt
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crashpilot BBQ Fan
Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 342 Location: Green River, WY
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| milt wrote: | Sounds like foiling is a prophylactic measure, nothing like practising safe Q-ing.  |
I'm not crazy about wrapping my meat before putting it in. In my opinion the results are far superior by leaving it exposed. _________________ Guppa D's BBQ
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Rojellio Es Caliente BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 1581 Location: Grand Junction Colorado
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I did more foiling when I started out. Mostly because a lot of people do it, I thought it would be safe or whatever.
My take on it anyway is that "Texas Crutch" is the same as 3-2-1 AND to stick with the original 'crutch' method there should be a healthy shot of Apple Juice in there, which pretty much amounts to a foil roast pan.
Lately I have been doing the spritz method. Spritz everything with Apple Juice every couple of hours and/or whenever you open the lid to look. For Beef I spritz with Guinness. _________________ Traeger 075 "Big Tex"
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Sirsmokealot BBQ Pro

Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 963 Location: N.E Indiana
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I foil ribs.
I have foiled brisket. Usually don't.
I only foil Butt when pressed for time.
I don't wear girls pants.
Whatever your preference, it's all good.  _________________ The Double Eagle Clubhouse Grille
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