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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19 06 6:17 am    Post subject: looking for new cooker Gatorpit or Lang Reply with quote

Looking for suggestions on which one to buy, help me go down the right road,

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19 06 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a gator and I could not be happier with it. I own the budget mobile. I think this is a much better buy than the lang 60. IMHO you get a much better pit for the money. Here is a link to picures of my pithttp://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/chris123720001/album?.dir=/e8a4&.src=ph&.tok=ph6E2hEBkO4wSdvi
Also read the first post on this page the guy here talks about his lang http://www.myfreebulletinboard.com/f2/gatorpit-about821-15.html

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19 06 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the money, it's hard to beat a Lang 84. Very Happy

I'm sure you will be happy with a Gator or a Lang.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19 06 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Between those two options, I would choose the Gator.. Much better quality and workmanship...

Now, If I was choosing, I would be getting a Bate's...

www.batespitts.com

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20 06 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Lang 84 and couldn't be happier. I think Lang gives you the biggest bang for the buck in large off set cookers that any other manufacture. Just go to a comp and compare, you will see many Lang's but I've only ever seen one Gator. Take the link that Chris posted with a grain of salt, it was on the Gator Forum. My Lang was $3200 delivered to New England in 2003.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20 06 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Between the two(and I would look at Bates, Horizon, and Klose as well), the fit and finish of the Gator will be much nicer.

As far as feature for feature price, I'm sure the Lang will be cheaper, and lots of folks win on the 84...

Either way, you are getting into a stick burner, so welcome to the club...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20 06 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost Nation wrote:
I have a Lang 84 and couldn't be happier. I think Lang gives you the biggest bang for the buck in large off set cookers that any other manufacture. Just go to a comp and compare, you will see many Lang's but I've only ever seen one Gator. Take the link that Chris posted with a grain of salt, it was on the Gator Forum. My Lang was $3200 delivered to New England in 2003.


Well, I've seen a few Gators, a few Langs, a few Bate's and a ton of Klose Pits...

I'm sure your happy with your Lang. A lot of folks are and many use them to compete and cater with good results.

And, yes, they are probably less expensive than a true custom built smoker. Park a Lang next to a Bate's, Gator or a Klose and you will see why... I'm really not knocking the Lang. As I said, it has to cook good or folks would not still be buying it... but, ou get what you pay for...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20 06 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamesB wrote:
Between those two options, I would choose the Gator.. Much better quality and workmanship...

Now, If I was choosing, I would be getting a Bate's...

www.batespitts.com

James.


OK I have a Gator and really love it. Ritch is also a personal friend. That being said I know that other pits will serve just as well. Tell me what you guys perceive as being the major difference in the pits. Here is my take.

Bates: Beautiful work, rolled steel, full custom pits, superior customer service, he's a nice guy hold resale value. (A friend of mine is having a full custom rig being made now, his experience)You can't loose

Gator Pits of Texas: Beautiful work, New Steel Pipe, full custom, superior customer service, Great crew and they will bend over backwards to help you hold resale value.(This is my personal experience)You can't loose

Klose: Beautiful work, Great design, plate and new pipe fabrication, average to below average customer service unless your spending a load of cash on a custom comp rig, Lack of custom service on smaller pits (This is my personal experience BTW). If you can actually get what you want from the guy, You can't loose

Lang: Heard he is a great guy and his pits are affordable, mediocre fit and finish, the pits work well. You can't loose

Diamond Plate Products: Travis is a nice fellow, easy to work with, great bang for the buck, inovative designs, happy customers. His pits look great!
You can't loose
So now where are we, Unless you have cooked extensivly on all of them there is no way in the world to draw conclusions. Get one of these that suits you and the way you cook, that you can afford and afford to have shipped to you, and that you feel comfortable with the builder when you speak with him. You can't loose any way you go so you have to decide how much you can spend first.

Once you make that decision then we can help you with options and such.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20 06 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20 06 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like zilla and James said langs are good pits for the money. If you are looking at buying the lang 60. I think the gator budget mobile is a much better buy. You get the same amout of cooking space for less. The gator will run you about 1700 without the turky frier lang will cost you about 2200. With that 500 you can add alot like a log lighter, pull out shelves, and a wider door with a counter weight. Lang will not add a log lighter or pull out shelves or tuning plates on a 60. I think they will add pull out shelves on a 84. I feel if it can down to the budget mobile and the lang 60 it would be crazy to go with the 60. Now if you are looking at the 84 you can get a much larger pit for less than with a similar gator. It most likly will cost you more to get a gator shipped up here than a lang.
You need to decide what pit fits your needs and you budget the best. If you are looking for a pit the size of the 60 go for the budget mobile. If you are look for a larger pit and the gator or bates is too much for you go lang. But if you can afford the gator or bates go for them you will not be dissapointed. With gator and bates there are so many more things you can add to your pit.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20 06 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that slide out shelves are standard in all Gator Pits. However Ritch will install drop in racks for you if you need to cut cost. There was a Budget Mobile at the Gator shop yesterday I was looking at that had drop ins. The budget mobile is a great deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22 06 9:24 am    Post subject: Pits??? Reply with quote

I looked at smokers for about a year. I chose the Lang 84 and it works perfect. I think it is a good buy for the money. Mine is build like a tank and everything fits well and the welds a very good.
Would not trade it for any smoker out there. May not be the prettiest, but I don't want to spend extra money for pretty. I just sit it by my big Ford truck and my Harley and that makes it pretty enough.
I'm sure whichever one you choose, you will be happy. There a LOT of good smokers out there.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22 06 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta agree with everything that Zilla said!

Lots of great pit builders out there... Make your pick and let us know what it is!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31 06 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of things I noticed when comparing my model 60 with the Gator Budget Mobile:

1. The Gator appears to be smaller than the 60, maybe closer to the 48.

2. Although these smokers look alike, they are different in the way they cook. The Gator is a flow-through design, requiring tuning plates to distrubute heat, where all the Langs are reverse-flow which results in more even distribution. Also, due to the reverse flow design, you can have water in the smoke chamber (not that I have ever done this). The tuning plates and drain valve are extra on the Gator.

3. The upper shelf of the gator is just expanded metal supported by metal rods, where all the shelving in the Langs are expanded metal framed in 1" square tubing. Also, the Model 60 upper shelf is supported on legs allowing you flexibility in arranging your cooking space.

4. The stack dampner is internal on the Lang, where the Gator has a movable flap.

5. The Gator has a round firebox, where the Lang uses a square design allowing for more space.

6. IMHO, the Lang trailer design is better, and it is suspended.

I am not trying to knock the Gator Budget Mobile, I just wanted to illustrate the differences. From what I can see from the Gator website, this smoker more favorable compares to the Model 48. The only Gator pits that I have see are the big ones and they are a work of art. However, these obviously were not the entry level models.

I am openly biased about my Lang. It is a beautiful smoker, and cooks like a dream. It is heavy duty, and very well made. I finaly made my decision to buy on after seeing these cookers in competition (and winning!), and personally visiting the Lang shop. Also, when you consider the extra expense of buying the drain valve, tuning plates, and increased shipping expense for the Gator, it is hard to ignore the value of the Lang 60.

Now, that said, if you buy a Gator, Bates, Geer, Klose, Kingfisher, Lang, etc., you will be happy with your smoker. Just keep in mind that asking advice on this purchase is like asking advice between buying a Ford or a Chevy. You will never get a straight answer.

Good luck, and post pics of your purchase.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31 06 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zilla,
Because you seem to have done your homework, do all of these cook the same way? I know that Diamond plate the heat comes from the rear, Lang has a reverse-flow designů.. what about the others?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31 06 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nmayeux wrote:
A couple of things I noticed when comparing my model 60 with the Gator Budget Mobile:


2. Although these smokers look alike, they are different in the way they cook. The Gator is a flow-through design, requiring tuning plates to distrubute heat, where all the Langs are reverse-flow which results in more even distribution. Also, due to the reverse flow design, you can have water in the smoke chamber (not that I have ever done this). The tuning plates and drain valve are extra on the Gator.


One of my pits is a reverse flow design similar to a Lang. I've got to disagree with you on the more even heat distribution. On a reverse flow pit, there is still a hot spot by the firebox. There is also a hot spot near the other end of the pit where the plate ends and the heat/smoke enters the cook chamber and reverses direction.

Also, what would prevent you from using water in a tradional offset providing you have a dam of some sort to prevent the water from running into the firebox? I can use water if I choose in my other offset... Of course both of these pits are quite a bit larger than 60", so you may have different experiences...

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31 06 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my Lang, the temp differential can be adjusted by raising or lowering the front end of the trailer. You can make one end hotter than the other (unless the fire is really hot), or you can bring the temps within about 5 degrees. There is no real hotspot; although when I did the "biscuit test" the biscuits placed right up against the fire box did cook faster. With the other design, and without tuning plates, the heat from the firebox dumps directly into the smoke chamber which can create a real hotspot.

Please note that I believe that the hotspot issue is amplified in the smaller smokers, as the large ones have more space to dissipate heat in the smoke chamber.

As far as water, the baffle in the reverse flow design holds water and drippings if the valve is closed. It is damned on the inlet side, has a groove running down the center, and sloped down to the drain. Pretty cool design.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31 06 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alien BBQ wrote:
Zilla,
Because you seem to have done your homework, do all of these cook the same way? I know that Diamond plate the heat comes from the rear, Lang has a reverse-flow designů.. what about the others?


Well I'll tell ya Alien, Any homework I've done is cursory and is meant to help point folks in the right direction. The rest is up to them. I have added any first hand experience that I've had and all opinions are my own. I really don't know a lot of details about different pits I can only go by whats on each guys website. There are a few fellows building pits that have some rather mysterious smoke distribution methods that are not detailed very well, like a trade secret I guess. In the past 6 months I have received quite a few PMs and E-Mails asking for advice. As far as folks asking me about choosing a pit I have decided to try and provide a very objective approach to folks looking for information and to help folks make sane decisions based on the need they have. I've compiled as complete a list of actual pit makers as I could find in one day without going nuts looking at a computer screen all day. As of 3-30-2006 all of the links work. I did not include mass produced pits. If I missed any we can certainly add to the list. Having a list of pit makers all around the country and Canada might help folks save money on shipping too. This might make a good sticky.

BBQ Pit Builders to look at while shopping for a new pit.

Acme Custom BBQ grills and pits
Friendswood, TX
http://www.acmewelding.com/BBQ.html

Austin National Smoker Company
Noblesville, IN
http://www.austinnationalsmokers.com
Pits made from New steel pipe and plate
Backyard/Competition/Catering
Specializing in rotisserie barbecue pit smokers

Bates Pits
Humble, Texas
http://www.batespitts.com
Makes full custom BBQ pits from new rolled 1/4" steel plate
Backyard/Competition/Catering

BBQ Pits by Klose
Houston, Texas
http://www.bbqpits.com
Pits made from New steel pipe and plate
Makes a line of backyard pits with limited customizing available, mostly length changes.
Makes full custom mobile pits.

BBQ Pits and Smokers
Cedar Park, Texas
http://www.bbqpits.biz/index.html

Big Jims Custom BBQ pits
http://www.bigjim.freeservers.com/smokers.html
Propane tank smokers

Carters Cookers
Gaston, SC
http://www.carterscookers.com
Steel tank cooker/smokers

Cattle King BBQ Pits
Family Owned & Operated
Fred L. Voigt
South Central Texas
http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/RigWelders/CK.html

Cookers and Grills
Watkinsville, GA
http://www.cookersandgrills.com
Reverse Flow, new propane tank construction
Backyard/Comp/Catering

D Wiley BBQ Pits
Buda, Texas
http://myjobisthepits.com
New propane tanks

Davis Smokers and Grills
Glennville, GA
http://www.davissmokersandgrills.homestead.com

Diamond Plate Products
Ballinger, Texas
http://diamondplateproducts.com
Makes full Custom BBQ pits from new steel tanks
Backyard/Competition/Catering

Detroit Grill King
Detroit, MI
http://www.detroitgrillking.com

Gator Pits of Texas
Houston, Texas
http://gatorpit.net
Makes full custom BBQ pits from steel pipe and plate
Backyard/Competition/Catering
Pit accessories
Excellent customer service

Grillnsmoke bbq smokers
Laredo, Texas
http://www.grillnsmoke.com/Page_1.php
Custom smokers

Horizon Smokers
Perry, OK
http://www.hightide.com/horizon2/products.html

Jedmaster Cookers
McCalla, Al
http://www.jedmaster.com

JR Enterprises
Dewitt, Arkansas
http://www.jrenterprises.com

KCK BBQ Smokers
Kansas City, KS
http://www.kck.com

L&R Custom BBQ Pits
Stephenville, TX
http://www.lrbbqpits.com

Lang Smoker Cookers
Nahunta, GA
http://www.pigroast.com
Pits made from new propane tanks
Backyard/Competition/Catering

Lone Star Welding
Richmond, TX
http://www.lswelding.net/index.html
Custom BBQ pits with some interesting art add ons

Long Horn BBQ pits
Uvalde, Texas
Available at Factory Direct BBQ Pits and Smokers Cedar Park, Texas
http://www.bbqpits.biz/index.html

Lyfe Tyme - BBQ Pits
Uvalde, Texas
http://www.lyfetyme.com
Manufactured pits with some customizing available
Pits made from New steel pipe including uprights
Makes full custom mobile pits

Meadow Creek Welding
New Holland, PA
http://www.meadowcreekbbq.com/Welcome.html

Old Country BBQ Pits
Laredo ,Texas
http://www.bbquepits.com
Mass Produced old style BBQ pits

Pits by Jambo
Jamie Geer Phone 817-572-7631 home, cell 817-822-1689
Hand made one at a time with incredible attention to detail. These are the pits used with great success by Johnny Trig of the Smoking Triggers, Uncle Earnie and Jamie and his Buckwheat Express team.

Pits by JJ
Houston, Texas
http://www.pitsbyjj.com
Makes full custom BBQ pits from steel pipe and plate
Backyard/Competition/Catering

Pitts and Spitts
Houston, Texas
http://pittsandspitts.com
Pits made from New steel plate and stainless steel
Backyard/Competition/Catering

Quality Grills
Detroit, MI
http://www.qualitygrills.com
Huge custom mobile pits

Real Grill
West Palm Beach, Florida
http://www.realgrill.com
New propane tank smoker/grills

Smokemaster
Austin, Texas
http://www.smokemaster.com
Budget Smokers made in Austin Texas

Southern Yankee Bar-B-Q
Anderson, IN
http://www.sybbq.com
Makes full custom BBQ pits from steel pipe and plate
Backyard/Competition/Catering

SWS Superior Welding Service - Southwest Smoker
North Little Rock, AR
http://www.southwestsmoker.com
Pits made from New steel pipe and plate
Backyard/Competition/Catering

Tejas Smokers
Houston, Texas
http://www.tejassmokers.com
Well engineered production backyard smokers and grills
New 1/4" steel plate construction
Great selection of outdoor cooking gear and accessories for your smoker
Great customer service

The Good One- Goodwin Enterprises
Burns, KS
http://www.thegood-one.com

TMP BBQ Pits
Midland, Texas
http://www.gotmp.com/bbqpits.htm

Tucker Cookers
Memphis, Tennessee
http://www.tuckercooker.com
Very nice mobile smoker/grills

Western Rebel BBQ Pits
Chino Hills, California
http://www.outofthisworldbbq.com/index.html

Cabinet style smokers

Backwoods Smokers
http://www.backwoods-smoker.com

Jacks Old South Cookers
Birmingham, AL
http://brittsbarbecue.com/html/jack_s_old_south_cookers.html

Spicewine Iron Works
http://www.spicewineironworks.com
Columbia, MO

Stumps Smokers
Perry, GA
http://www.stumpssmokers.com
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31 06 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may, I nominate to add these guys to the list Cool


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31 06 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done! Thanks AllSmoke. Wink They remind me of the Tucker Cookers. I like that style for a mobile pit. Do you own one?
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