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zilla
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PostPosted: Mar 02 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, Your right and nobody will argue with you about that. Unless of course you call it BBQ. This is more of a BBQ forum and grilling isn't much discussed. I actually grill 80% more than I BBQ cuz it's quicker for weekdays.
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PostPosted: Mar 02 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

frayedend wrote:
Thomas P. wrote:
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Hi there Thomas, I use a propane log lighter, and do just fine! Wink

I also have a gas grill!, and have used liquid smoke for sauce's! Mr. Green


I'll grant clemency on the log lighter, but I sure am sorry that you wasted all that money on a gas grill. Crying or Very sad


Okay, I haven't started doing real bbq yet, probably within the next week. But grilling certainly has it's place. If I put a 20 oz porter house on the gas grill with a little seasoning and cook it medium rare you will definetely not be able to say anything bad about grilling. I also put a small smoker box in my grill and add a small bit of hickory. The small amount of smoke adds a touch of flavor to the steak. I'm sure ribs, chicken and lots of other things are much better with real bbq, but for a good steak you need a grill! Am I wrong???


In my opinion you do need a grill for a great steak..........and though i have owned gas and charcoal grills....i do personally prefer a steak done over charcoal.
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PostPosted: Mar 02 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mding38926 wrote:
frayedend wrote:
Thomas P. wrote:
BBQMAN wrote:
Hi there Thomas, I use a propane log lighter, and do just fine! Wink

I also have a gas grill!, and have used liquid smoke for sauce's! Mr. Green


I'll grant clemency on the log lighter, but I sure am sorry that you wasted all that money on a gas grill. Crying or Very sad


Okay, I haven't started doing real bbq yet, probably within the next week. But grilling certainly has it's place. If I put a 20 oz porter house on the gas grill with a little seasoning and cook it medium rare you will definetely not be able to say anything bad about grilling. I also put a small smoker box in my grill and add a small bit of hickory. The small amount of smoke adds a touch of flavor to the steak. I'm sure ribs, chicken and lots of other things are much better with real bbq, but for a good steak you need a grill! Am I wrong???


In my opinion you do need a grill for a great steak..........and though i have owned gas and charcoal grills....i do personally prefer a steak done over charcoal.


Thinking about it I would have to agree that steak over charcoal is probably better, but with gas I can come home after a long day of work and quickly throw on a couple of steaks, burger, whatever I need with limited time. I'll save the charcoal for the weekends.
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PostPosted: Mar 02 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

frayedend wrote:
mding38926 wrote:
frayedend wrote:
Thomas P. wrote:
BBQMAN wrote:
Hi there Thomas, I use a propane log lighter, and do just fine! Wink

I also have a gas grill!, and have used liquid smoke for sauce's! Mr. Green


I'll grant clemency on the log lighter, but I sure am sorry that you wasted all that money on a gas grill. Crying or Very sad


Okay, I haven't started doing real bbq yet, probably within the next week. But grilling certainly has it's place. If I put a 20 oz porter house on the gas grill with a little seasoning and cook it medium rare you will definetely not be able to say anything bad about grilling. I also put a small smoker box in my grill and add a small bit of hickory. The small amount of smoke adds a touch of flavor to the steak. I'm sure ribs, chicken and lots of other things are much better with real bbq, but for a good steak you need a grill! Am I wrong???


In my opinion you do need a grill for a great steak..........and though i have owned gas and charcoal grills....i do personally prefer a steak done over charcoal.


Thinking about it I would have to agree that steak over charcoal is probably better, but with gas I can come home after a long day of work and quickly throw on a couple of steaks, burger, whatever I need with limited time. I'll save the charcoal for the weekends.


Like I said....not bashing gas grills...I own one and use it all the time......but from a taste perspective.......I have become a charcoal enthusiast
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PostPosted: Mar 03 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think each commandment will need one or two exceptions. Like "Thou shalt not use mesquite, unless you like that of course".

I've made some bologna before, but the only time I thought it was really good was when I special ordered an uncooked tube of bologna (a 14 or so pounder). Picked it up right after they ground and stuffed it, took it home and put it in the smoker. Cooked about 3 to 4 hours using hickory until internal read 165. It was really good. I don't think the pre-cooked bologna takes on nearly as much smoky flavor, but not everyone can get their hands on an uncooked bologna.

I would rather smoke sausage more often than bologna though, my opinion.

Besides, nothing sounds naughtier than pulling pork and smoking bologna! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mar 03 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

So since I am planning on finally doing some real bbq, once I decide on a cooker I have some questions based on the commandments...

White smoke??? I assume this is from when the wood first gets going, or maybe from the newspaper that starts the coals? Is this correct?

What's wrong with mesquite, I kinda like the taste.

Thanks.

I think I'll leave bologna to the oscar meyer people.
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PostPosted: Mar 03 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the taste of mesquite too........in moderation for me, but i do like it. One of the issues with mesquite is that you have to be careful as mesquite is a strong flavor and you do not want to oversmoke your meat.
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PostPosted: Mar 03 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

After using Mesquite myself and watching others misuse it I can under stand the mixed results. If you use Mesquite you have to make sure that it doesn't smolder. If you are a "wood chip" user or a "wood soaker" or a "smolder in the metal box" kind of cooker than forget mesquite. However if you have split wood and keep the dampers and flu wide open so there is always fire in the firebox you might just become a Mesquite convert. If you are turned off by Mesquite than chances are you have had food improperly smoked over it. Mesquite may be the best smoke wood out there if you learn to smoke with it properly.
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PostPosted: Mar 03 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

White smoke is bad..blue smoke is good...white smoke is thicker and occurs when things are smoldering...blue smoke in very light and thin and comes from a nice hot clean burning fire....you want blue.
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PostPosted: Mar 03 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dawgphan...
" Gas burners" utilize whatever means available to produce smoke.
Coffee cans,juice cans and such large containers when stuffed with large hardwood cuts and introduced to flame(in varying increments) will produce different colored smoke.
It's not Scientific....Use what 'Ya got..
If it's Hardwood---It's good...
If it's not...DON'T USE IT.

If it smells good and Your food tastes good and is NOT BITTER,Don't Worry...Be Happy! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mar 03 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya oughta see the smoke that comes off the pecan wood I have. If I add a fist size chunk to a charcoal fire and leave the firbox lid open till the pecan is burning real good, I get the thickest white smoke you can imagine billowing out of every crack and hole in the smoker. I have to chop the pecan into small pieces about the size of 2 fingers together and use it real sparingly to get blue smoke. The cherry wood I have I can put a split log on a charcoal fire and get blue smoke right away..??

Whats up with that.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Roxy!

Hey...Where did You get your Pecan from?

Was it from up around here?

The only thing stopping me from getting a pallet load is
is the $hipping costs.

Let us know.

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PostPosted: Mar 05 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tony:

My sister lives in Greensboro N.C. and she brought me a bag of chunks last thanksgiving. I think it was a 20 or 30 lb bag If I recall, she paid like 30 U.S for it.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

zilla wrote:
After using Mesquite myself and watching others misuse it I can under stand the mixed results. If you use Mesquite you have to make sure that it doesn't smolder. If you are a "wood chip" user or a "wood soaker" or a "smolder in the metal box" kind of cooker than forget mesquite. However if you have split wood and keep the dampers and flu wide open so there is always fire in the firebox you might just become a Mesquite convert. If you are turned off by Mesquite than chances are you have had food improperly smoked over it. Mesquite may be the best smoke wood out there if you learn to smoke with it properly.


I'm going to agree with Zilla on this. I know I read a lot about how overpowering mesquite is, but I don't have that problem. Mesquite can all of sudden start to smolder on you and you lose the flame, but if enough air is flowing that won't happen. Although my preferred wood is oak, I use mesquite just as much, since it is very abundant here in central Texas. Then again, it could just be the taste preferences of your region. Maybe what I think tastes great is considered bitter somewhere else. Maybe we should have the 10 commandments for Texas Barbecue.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

When God talked to Moses from the burning bush that was not consumed by flame…it must have been mesquite. The problem with mesquite is that it takes a lot of heat to get it going and keep it lit. As with any wood, if you let is smolder, Mr. Cyanide shows up and ruins everything. For the most part, it is not the overpowering mesquite flavor, it is the fact that you let it smolder and snuck some cyanide in to flavor your meat. The difference between cherry and pecan is the same with mesquite. The amount of BTU’s it takes to light is different as well as the heat per pound they both produce.
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PostPosted: Mar 05 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas. You should have known this was going to happen. It's hard to get us to agree on one thing. Much less 10 things. Shocked Laughing I do have the definitive #1 commandment though. It should start with this;

1) GRILLING IS NOT BBQing. Learn the difference before you continue further.
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