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Canadian Bacon
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Big Green Egg,im really getting sick of finding this crap in my lump.....it's starting to happen way to often!! 
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Harry Nutczak
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| Posted: Feb 01 2009 Post subject: Re: More Insulation |
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| Canadian Bacon wrote: | | Big Green Egg,im really getting sick of finding this crap in my lump.....it's starting to happen way to often!! |
BGE charcoal is just Royal Oak charcoal that is packaged in a different bag
Same stuff with a higher price tag!! And obviously the same amount of foreign material!
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necron 99
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Sounds like time to 'lean' on your lump candyman to stock more Dragon Breath and Frontier lump for you CB! 
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J.Shaft
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While I have found some crap in my lump, I guess I've been lucky.
Honestly though.... I would have to assume that anyone who uses a Kiln to make charchoal would have exposure to insulation. While it sucks to find stuff in the bags, I think I've come to expect that sometimes stuff falls in to the mix. |
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Canadian Bacon
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| J.Shaft wrote: | While I have found some crap in my lump, I guess I've been lucky.
Honestly though.... I would have to assume that anyone who uses a Kiln to make charchoal would have exposure to insulation. While it sucks to find stuff in the bags, I think I've come to expect that sometimes stuff falls in to the mix. |
I figure theres no getting around the odd bit of insulation considering the way it is made,but it just gets me mad when I find it.
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Harry Nutczak
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C-B and my niece must have something in common, Everytime she has any poultry, she is always the one to find a feather or two in her food,
it does not matter if it is chicken, turkey or duck, she is gauranteed to find at least one feather.
I told her to order it skinless and the problem would be solved!
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Canadian Bacon
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| Harry Nutczak wrote: | C-B and my niece must have something in common, Everytime she has any poultry, she is always the one to find a feather or two in her food,
it does not matter if it is chicken, turkey or duck, she is gauranteed to find at least one feather.
I told her to order it skinless and the problem would be solved! |
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necron 99
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| Canadian Bacon wrote: | | J.Shaft wrote: | While I have found some crap in my lump, I guess I've been lucky.
Honestly though.... I would have to assume that anyone who uses a Kiln to make charchoal would have exposure to insulation. While it sucks to find stuff in the bags, I think I've come to expect that sometimes stuff falls in to the mix. |
I figure theres no getting around the odd bit of insulation considering the way it is made,but it just gets me mad when I find it. |
I'm not so sure on this, but my experience base with USA produced lump is limited to the one bag of Fire King lump that had a rock the size of my fist in it.
edit - I tried 2 bags of B&B Oak lump as well made in USA / Texas, but didn't find anything funky in them. I've always heard memory is the second thing that goes, and I can't recall what the first thing was now.
Here's my reasoning.
The other varieties of lump I've bought and tried have all been made outside the USA - primarily Mexico and Argentina (though none of the lump charcoals I've tried were made in Canada). I have found some much smaller rocks in such bags, from brands where reviews and details can be found on The Naked Whiz site to some of them essentially no-name lump charcoals I've bought in tienditas, but never any insulation. Lump produced outside the USA (and maybe Canada based on your experience with Basque's) is likely produced under more 'primitive' conditions where earthen rather than man-made manufactured insulation is used during the charcoal manufacturing process.
Food for thought.
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Poor choice of words.
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necron 99
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That's where mesquite really holds its own. It's so twisty and gnarled, mesquite wooden furniture is a really high end art peice. Some is used for wood flooring in tiny squares cut flat, but other than that, the only real use for cut mesquite is fuel, whether as sticks / logs or charcoal. So you don't have to worry about your mesquite chunks, logs, or charcoal coming from something scraped from a landfill.
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| NCBBQFAN wrote: | Things like insulation, rocks, metal and so on are found in many lump products because of where the raw material comes from and not where or how there made.
Remember were talking about the making of charcoal and not high grade lumber that can and is sold at much higher prices than the wood that goes into charcoal. In short charcoal in made from the leftovers or if you prefer “CRAP” wood that can’t be used for anything else. Would you take high end tree wood that can bring a pretty price in boards and make something like charcoal that is worth much less out of it? The answer is no, you would not, its simple business economics. Pay as little as you can for your bulk materials to maximize or allow for a profit. The fact is that the wood charcoal is made from is in most cases is scraped off the ground at landfills where there are things like insulation, metal, rocks, plastic, roofing shingles and whatever else that falls on the ground, and that’s how these strange items end up in a bag of charcoal that your cooking your food over. I’m sure the same things are in the brick charcoals, but lump just isn’t processed or ground like they are so the foreign items are just too small to see. |
Now I don't have first hand evidence to disprove what you are saying... but I think that you are grossly misrepresenting how most charcoal is made. Saying that they use wood "scraped off the ground at landfills" without evidence is probably crossing a line.
Yes it's SCRAP wood... but there are SOOOOOO many sources for this that they aren't "scraping landfills". I'm sure a vast amount actually comes from the logging industry where they have plenty of branches and such that aren't usable as lumber. Then you have the furniture industry... the flooring industry... etc... All of these industries would be more then happy to find someone to take away the scraps and not have to pay to dispose of them.
I work with several waste disposal companies, and all the wood they pull out just gets ground into chips and sold for mulch or to a bio-fuel place. |
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Well.
Hum curious response Mr. Shaft. Said opinion was not meant to approach nor cross any real or implied lines. It was just a personal opinion and not meant to cause harm to the Landfill, Logging or Charcoal Industries.  |
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I don't represent the charcoal industry, but I'm sure people would be upset to hear people saying their product comes from landfill pickin's.
Please don't take this as me being offended or anything... but I guess the line I was refering to was the line between a "witty offhand remark" and someone incorrectly representing a business. I would equate this to the difference between someone saying "I bought a brisket at store X and it seemed like it had whip marks" to someone saying "store X only buys the lowest grade animals".
Yes some lump has stones and crud in it.... but if the only other option is a chemical scented briq, I'll take the 30 seconds to sift out the crub. |
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Now that is funny  Scraping stuff off of landfills. You are absolutely correct, stuff happens, mine is hand packed and I constantly seem to find things that need to be picked off or removed when packing. I use very little insulation as my kilns use the ground for this but on the tops I use fiberglass insulation to cover them and it seems to stick to everything you do not want it to.
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necron 99
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Good info Mr. Montana
Hmmm - so if a charcoal producer in the USA uses primarily earthen insulation, why would one expect a charcoal manufacturer in Mexico or Argentina to use more man-made insulation, instead of likely all earthen? And why would one expect landfills in those places to be full of scrap wood to be scraped together as charcoal fodder?
I've been to Mexico many times (and I'm not just talkin' cruise ship ports - I mean Mexico in the dry lands where mesquite grows) and I'll bet man-made insulation if available would wind up in human habitatation long, long before it'd be used for charcoal kiln material
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