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Jerk Pit Master BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 1069 Location: Orlando, FL
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Posted: Jan 30 2009 Post subject: Would you buy chilled bbq at a farmers' market? |
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I've placed this post in the BBQ Restaurants and the Commercial BBQ sections to get the input from bbq customers and bbq professionals.
Most farmers' markets have early morning hours, 7:00 am - 1:00 pm for example. Most people except the other vendors who have been awake for a while, don't eat BBQ for breakfast. So as a bbq vendor, your slammed between 11-1 only with the lunch crowd.
One of my ideas is to offer something for the early morning crowd - Take Home & Reheat BBQ by the Pound. Basically bbq for dinner.
Menu would be slabs of jerk baby back ribs and whole cuts of jerk bbq pork and jerk bbq beef.
All cuts of meat that if cooked to 90%, and quick chilled, will reheat perfectly the next day. Simple reheating instructions are, place in oven at 250F for 2 hours.
So my key questions are:
1) Would you buy chilled bbq for reheating?
2) What can an vendor do that would increase your likelihood of buying?
3) Got any other ideas that would make this idea work (extensive sampling, packaging, etc.)
Thanks for your help! _________________ Jerk Pit Master
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T00lman BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 21 Dec 2007 Posts: 2476 Location: warren michigan
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Posted: Jan 30 2009 Post subject: |
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I think this is a great idea it seem like people now days are always looking for a easy heat and eat meal so why not bbq like I sayed great idea thats using your noodle .
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Pit Boss BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 2362 Location: Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina
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Posted: Jan 30 2009 Post subject: |
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I responded to the other thread already so I'll leave a separate thought here.
Should the idea work? Yes! Is there a problem selling chilled bbq? No way!
Every grocery store you go into usually has some sort of bbq in the cooler sections. I've seen ribs, whole briskets, and pulled pork. It's good enough for these retailers so why not for someone who cooks superior food?
Have at it & good luck!!!
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Pit Boss BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 2362 Location: Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina
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Posted: Jan 30 2009 Post subject: |
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By the way, we make some pretty good pepper sauce around here also...got a Trini in the house  _________________ Somewhere in Kenya...a village is missing their idiot. |
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OKBBQEA BBQ Pro

Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 809 Location: Moore, Oklahoma
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Posted: Jan 30 2009 Post subject: |
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So my key questions are:
1) Would you buy chilled bbq for reheating?
Would I? No, if I'm going to eat BBQ at home. It would be my own. Would someone that doesn't have a smoker at home buy it? Possibly. They buy crappy, overprocessed BBQ at places like Sam's and Costco. So a quality alternative just might work.
2) What can an vendor do that would increase your likelihood of buying?
Steal my smokers or get the government to require a background check to own a smoker. As long as I can make my own. I won't buy.
Not really sure what you could do to entice others. I would say samples but the only drawback to that is that a fresh sample and something reheated is not going to taste exactly alike. You run the risk of them getting home and thinking you fed them one thing and sold them another.
3) Got any other ideas that would make this idea work (extensive sampling, packaging, etc.)
If you are vending to a pre-lunch crowd. Have you considered coming up with BBQ themed breakfast items? I eat fatties for breakfast.
Don't know what kind of setup you have but I could see Pulled Pork Biscuits, Chopped Brisket Biscuits, Pig Candy Biscuits, or Fattie Biscuits. You could even make BBQ gravy and biscuits. I've made Belgian Pulled Pork waffles that turned out really well.
Maybe a Fattie in a Blanket..... If you have a deep fryer you could even dip fattie in pancake batter and deep fry it.
You could make Pig Peckers too.... Would probably want to rename them but who doesn't want to eat a sausage link wrapped in bacon and smoked for breakfast? A vegetarian maybe but any self respecting carnivore is gonna snap that up.  _________________ I only believe in two basic food groups... Chili & BBQ
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BBQMAN BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 15475 Location: Florida
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I sell ribs to go at our market, and pulled pork by the pound as well Jerk Pit.
Both hot and RTE.
If they want it for the next day they can chill it themselves, then reheat on the grill or oven.
On the other hand, I do agree that Sams and Costco does the same thing and does well doing it- I guess.
I just don't think that cold BBQ fits the essence of what a fresh market is..................... _________________ BBQMAN
"I Turned A Hobby Into A Business".
Providing "IMHO" Since 2005. |
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Jerk Pit Master BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 1069 Location: Orlando, FL
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Thanks for all the excellent feedback. One point I might add is that I sell Oak-Smoked Jerk BBQ, so not only is it very good, it is also rather unique.
| BBQMAN wrote: | | I just don't think that cold BBQ fits the essence of what a fresh market is..................... |
That's serious food for thought, but if Subway can position themselves as "fresh" (assembled), I hope I can overcome that. |
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Texman BBQ Pro
Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 831 Location: Del Rio, TX
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Posted: Jan 31 2009 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Would you buy chilled bbq for reheating? |
Google almost any barbecued item and you will find companies peddling fresh chilled, and/or frozen products, similar to what you mention. As a small example: is Lloyd’s BBQ http://www.lloydsbbq.com/ that was bought out by Hormel Foods, due to Lloyd’s success. The primary difference is that they are USDA inspected, so as to allow them to cross state lines and to go into retail.
Vendors, such as you and us, can sell chilled at an event, at least in Texas, w/o issue. Although we do not promote chilled, we do sell some.
We tested chilled, by giving away samples of 2 ribs to some of our regular client base, just to get feedback, before we started randomly offering chilled. We believe chilled has upside potential on a larger scale. As we get further into it we’ll post updates. |
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milt BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 1233 Location: June-OCT N.Y. Nov-May FL
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At our market we do the same as BBQMAN, we sell pulled
pork and brisket by the lb.and ribs by the bone or rack hot out of the cooker. _________________ Curt
www.kissmybuttsbbq.com |
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JKO 4 BBQ Newbie
Joined: 19 Mar 2007 Posts: 76 Location: Cape Coral, FL
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Posted: Feb 04 2009 Post subject: |
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Its not worked out so good for me, my wife figured out she can buy better bbq by the lb. from curt at the farmers market and not have me spend all day drinking beer and tending the smoker.  |
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Pit Boss BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 2362 Location: Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina
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Posted: Feb 04 2009 Post subject: |
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| cultofnobody wrote: | | a fresh sample and something reheated is not going to taste exactly alike |
I'm sorry...but I've reheated my own bbq as well as bbq from a few other places that I know their "fresh cooked" quality, and I can tell you that it generally reheats perfect...as long as you follow a couple of rules.
The main two rules that I've found when refrigerating and reheating bbq (pulled pork) are as follows:
1) Don't pre-sauce the pork. Here in North Carolina we use mostly vinegar as a sauce. When reheated (usually overheated) the vinegar will cause the pork to taste "off". To prevent that, I don't sauce my bbq at all...leaving the sauce on the side. If I have to refrigerate, I now there will not be a problem when reheating.
2) Don't over heat the product! I can use a microwave to reheat pulled pork just fine. The process is simple: heat for a short period of time, stir, and heat a bit more. To me...if the bbq is steaming, it's too hot.
This is just how "I" see it. _________________ Somewhere in Kenya...a village is missing their idiot. |
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BBQMAN BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 15475 Location: Florida
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Posted: Feb 04 2009 Post subject: |
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And if it's not steaming Cape it probably isn't at 165' or better (the HD requirement for re-heated foods).
I sell a good bit of food-to-go at our own market.
I recommend safe food handling, not to microwave (a toaster oven works fine) and instructions to add just a bit a sprinkled water so as to not dry out the product. Microwaved ribs are tough!
I always serve sauce on the side- they can add as much as they want, or none at all.
Of course all of our offerings are fresh off of the smoker, what they do with it after they leave is fine by me (within reason, we don't want anyone sick to be sure). _________________ BBQMAN
"I Turned A Hobby Into A Business".
Providing "IMHO" Since 2005. |
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Pit Boss BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 2362 Location: Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina
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Posted: Feb 05 2009 Post subject: |
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| BBQMAN wrote: | And if it's not steaming Cape it probably isn't at 165' or better (the HD requirement for re-heated foods).
I recommend safe food handling, not to microwave (a toaster oven works fine) and instructions to add just a bit a sprinkled water so as to not dry out the product. Microwaved ribs are tough!
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No, I wouldn't suggest to my customers to follow the instructions above. But steaming pulled pork is too hot. Reheat as you please...I'll do the same. Safe food handling should be followed if you're reheating for public consumption. At my home I do it the best way I know how to preserve the quality of the meat.
Microwaved ribs may be tough...but that's why I specified pulled pork in my post above. I was in no way referring to ribs.
Never would "I" reheat pulled pork in an oven...water added or not. In a restaurant setting (although this thread is not talking about restaurant service) you would HAVE to reheat in the oven or microwave as the health department will frown on other methods (ie. NEVER reheat food in a steam table). Ribs would be fine in the oven, but I'd use the broiler option. _________________ Somewhere in Kenya...a village is missing their idiot. |
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BBQMAN BBQ Super All Star

Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 15475 Location: Florida
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Posted: Feb 05 2009 Post subject: |
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Actually Cape, if you are providing "Chilled BBQ" at a vending event, proper re-heating instructions should be part of the package.
What you (the customer) does with it from there is then your business.
It is strongly suggested (but not mandatory) by the HD here that an instruction sheet with safe food handling techniques be given to the host for liabilty (CYA) reasons.
Something that most folks wouldn't even think about...................... _________________ BBQMAN
"I Turned A Hobby Into A Business".
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Pit Boss BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 2362 Location: Mt. Pleasant, South Carolina
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Posted: Feb 05 2009 Post subject: |
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Hey, BBQman...since you vend alot...I'm sure alot of your market (and other vending customers) eat the food they buy from you right there on the spot. But do you notice many walking away with your food in bags like they are going home with it? In vending, especially in a market setting, you should assume that a large percentage of your customers are going to take the food purchased from you home for later consumption. Do you provide your customers a sheet explaining proper re-heating and safe food handling?
Now I bet THAT is something most folks wouldn't even think about.......
Thanks for your input. _________________ Somewhere in Kenya...a village is missing their idiot. |
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