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Burbs BBQ Fan

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Posted: Nov 25 2008 Post subject: First Brisket Smoke In Progress |
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I picked up a 4.97 lb. flat beef brisk this afternoon. Being my first brisk, I didn't go to crazy, so I put some kosher salt, pepper and garlic powder for a rub.
I used the minion method of starting up the smoker. I put about 35 Royal Oak briquettes in the chimney, and started it up. I laid out a bunch of briquettes in the basket, and placed 4 chunks of cherry wood in the midst of them.
Once the coals were lit, I spread them amongst the unlit ones, poured boiling water in the water pan, and threw the brisk on.
Currently, the temps are hovering around 120, which is making me a bit nervous. Although, I need to remember slow and steady.
I am taking a cue from Alien BBQ and I'm putting the fat side down for the first hour, then I'll turn it over.
I'm shooting for a smoker temp of 220-250.
I'll have pics once it's all done. _________________ "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
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Toga BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 2736 Location: Southern Michigan
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| Is your smoker temp 120 or meat temp? If the smoker temp is 120 get some air on that fire. |
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Burbs BBQ Fan

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Posted: Nov 25 2008 Post subject: |
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| Toga wrote: | | Is your smoker temp 120 or meat temp? If the smoker temp is 120 get some air on that fire. |
That's the smoker temp. Both the bottom vent and top vent are wide open. As of 3:14pm the smoker is at 160 and the meat is at 83.
I'm thinking it's because of the water pan. I may add some more coals. _________________ "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
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reptileink BBQ Pro

Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 849 Location: WOON-socket, RI
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Posted: Nov 25 2008 Post subject: |
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don't let it go too long. With a full charcoal basket, you should already be over 200. Take the water pan out(if you can) and empty the water. Foil it over. _________________ Pro Q Frontier
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Burbs BBQ Fan

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| reptileink wrote: | | don't let it go too long. With a full charcoal basket, you should already be over 200. Take the water pan out(if you can) and empty the water. Foil it over. |
I just poured out the water and foiled the pan. Both times I've put water in the pan, it never got above 200 for some reason. I imagine now, its going to get above 200. I also moved some briquettes around as it seems that one side was lit and the other wasn't for some reason. When I poured the chimney on, I purposely moved the briquettes around, but maybe I poured the chimney in to soon.
At least if the temps go over 250, I can close the bottom vent a little bit. _________________ "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
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Toga BBQ Super Pro

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| Put some air on the fire and put some bacon over that flat if there is not a bunch of fat on it. If you have a hard time holding temp once it is up and it is as cold as it is here in the detroit area (32 degrees or so) as reptileink mentioned you should loose the water in the pan and cover it with foil. You will loose enough heat due to the cold. |
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Burbs BBQ Fan

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Just turned the brisket over and put the fat side up. I also sprayed some EVOO and Apple Cider mix to keep it moist. According to my probe thermometer, the meat is at 119, but I highly doubt that, since the smoker never got above 160. _________________ "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
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Burbs BBQ Fan

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Smoker is at 180 and the meat supposedly is at 143. I really find that hard to believe.  _________________ "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
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Scrooge_Fan

Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Northern Illinois
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I would recommend that you never put the meat on until the pit or cooker has already reached your target temp. Of course, you will lose a little heat when you open the lid and put cold meat on the grate, but it will usually come back to your target pretty fast. _________________ Since most of us will spend more than 40 years of our life working 40 hours per week to make a living, pick a job that pays a lot or one that you absolutely love so much it doesn't seem like work. |
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Burbs BBQ Fan

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| Scrooge_Fan wrote: | | I would recommend that you never put the meat on until the pit or cooker has already reached your target temp. Of course, you will lose a little heat when you open the lid and put cold meat on the grate, but it will usually come back to your target pretty fast. |
I did think about that, but I was hoping that with the boiling water, and using the minion method, that it would have gotten up to temp quicker, but I guess not with this cold weather we are having. _________________ "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
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roxy BBQ All Star

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 9331 Location: Wasaga beach, Ontario
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Posted: Nov 25 2008 Post subject: |
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Your still going by the gauge on the lid of the Smoker are you not..??
It can be out by as much as 100 degrees or more. After half an hour with the water in the pan.. is the water boiling gently..?? if so you are probably in the 225 to 250 range with the Frontier. If not then you need to worry..
The temp gauge on my 2 frontiers are way out and I do not use them at all. I use a digital temp gauge to tell me whats going on.
Burbs.. You really need to use some of the great info that those of us that have Frontiers... Your posts are misleading and you get a lot of feed back from folks that have not used the cooker. We all have worked out the bugs with the cooker and are trying to get you on the right path.. Listen to the advice and apply it so you wont have these.. ARGH...!! things are not working posts.
Not to blow my horn, but I was one of the first to have a Frontier in NA.. I have used one so much it looks beat up. Used them in comp and gotten many calls with the cooker. I am sponsored by ProBBQ as well. If your having some troubles with your cooker.. Send me a PM and I will be happy to help you out.
Just looking out for ya and wanting to see you have success with the unit. _________________ Chargriller Akorn
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Tony BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 3486 Location: Rehoboth Beach ,Delaware
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Nice piece Rox!
If You don't blow Your own horn then there ain't nobody gonna' hear 'Ya!
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Burbs BBQ Fan

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Posted: Nov 25 2008 Post subject: |
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| roxy wrote: | Your still going by the gauge on the lid of the Smoker are you not..??
It can be out by as much as 100 degrees or more. After half an hour with the water in the pan.. is the water boiling gently..?? if so you are probably in the 225 to 250 range with the Frontier. If not then you need to worry..
The temp gauge on my 2 frontiers are way out and I do not use them at all. I use a digital temp gauge to tell me whats going on.
Burbs.. You really need to use some of the great info that those of us that have Frontiers... Your posts are misleading and you get a lot of feed back from folks that have not used the cooker. We all have worked out the bugs with the cooker and are trying to get you on the right path.. Listen to the advice and apply it so you wont have these.. ARGH...!! things are not working posts.
Not to blow my horn, but I was one of the first to have a Frontier in NA.. I have used one so much it looks beat up. Used them in comp and gotten many calls with the cooker. I am sponsored by ProBBQ as well. If your having some troubles with your cooker.. Send me a PM and I will be happy to help you out.
Just looking out for ya and wanting to see you have success with the unit. |
The water definitely wasn't boiling. I did also calibrate my Frontier thermometer a few days ago, and it seemed to be off by 3-4 degress.
The meat is now at 162 and the smoker is around 240. I'll have to search your name with the Frontier as the term.
Any advice, is good advice.  _________________ "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
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roxy BBQ All Star

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 9331 Location: Wasaga beach, Ontario
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I am thinking you might need some more air vents on the bottom of the smoker. I think you can get them from Freds.. It sure does help the cooker work to its optimum if it can breath right. _________________ Chargriller Akorn
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roxy BBQ All Star

Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 9331 Location: Wasaga beach, Ontario
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| Tony wrote: | Nice piece Rox!
If You don't blow Your own horn then there ain't nobody gonna' hear 'Ya!
Best Regards, Tony  |
Aint that the truth Tony..
I remember sitting in on the first negotiations for a the Frontier to hit NA.. In fact I drove Ian to the meeting. Damn... I even picked Ian up from the airport and made him dinner that day. Although I did cook it on a Treager.. something he has never let me forget...  _________________ Chargriller Akorn
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necron 99 BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 2594 Location: San Antonio, TX
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| roxy wrote: | Your still going by the gauge on the lid of the Smoker are you not..??
It can be out by as much as 100 degrees or more. After half an hour with the water in the pan.. is the water boiling gently..?? if so you are probably in the 225 to 250 range with the Frontier. If not then you need to worry..
The temp gauge on my 2 frontiers are way out and I do not use them at all. I use a digital temp gauge to tell me whats going on.
Burbs.. You really need to use some of the great info that those of us that have Frontiers... Your posts are misleading and you get a lot of feed back from folks that have not used the cooker. We all have worked out the bugs with the cooker and are trying to get you on the right path.. Listen to the advice and apply it so you wont have these.. ARGH...!! things are not working posts.
Not to blow my horn, but I was one of the first to have a Frontier in NA.. I have used one so much it looks beat up. Used them in comp and gotten many calls with the cooker. I am sponsored by ProBBQ as well. If your having some troubles with your cooker.. Send me a PM and I will be happy to help you out.
Just looking out for ya and wanting to see you have success with the unit. |
Roxy,
Your telling us experience is the advertising about the ProQ products being fitted with a "Quality temperature gauge as STD" here
http://www.probbq.co.uk/ProQ.html
and "accurate temperature gauge" here
http://www.probbq.co.uk/Frontier.html
isn't quite accurate?
Is there any improvement with the thermometer that came STD with your Excel 20? _________________ Let's hope SoEzzy can ditch his heavy hand on photos in 2016!
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roxy BBQ All Star

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There is a difference in the gauges in the two units for sure. It was discovered that the gauges in the Frontier were inaccurate and it was addressed for the production of the Excel 20. If I am not mistaken, it was also addressed with the Frontiers that were produced after this was brought to the attention of ProBBQ. _________________ Chargriller Akorn
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Burbs BBQ Fan

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Posted: Nov 26 2008 Post subject: |
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| roxy wrote: | | There is a difference in the gauges in the two units for sure. It was discovered that the gauges in the Frontier were inaccurate and it was addressed for the production of the Excel 20. If I am not mistaken, it was also addressed with the Frontiers that were produced after this was brought to the attention of ProBBQ. |
I may have the old ones., but I think my biggest mistake was not letting the smoker get to temp first. _________________ "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."
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necron 99 BBQ Super Pro

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Given the difference in your choice of unlit fuel for your brisket cook, vs. your rib cook, I would have to agree with you Burbs. I use 100% natural hardwood charcoal briquets and / or 100% natural hardwood lump charcoal for just this reason, and I don't have a problem with the volatile substances released from these forms of fuel while they're heating up.
If you use charcoal briquets that aren't labeled as 100% natural hardwood briquets as the unlit fuel, I'd recommend you don't put the wood in the unlit fuel, and don't pu the food in the cooker until after all the volatile substances in the briquets have finished being volatilized. After that point, then put the food & wood in the cooker. _________________ Let's hope SoEzzy can ditch his heavy hand on photos in 2016!
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