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wingwalker
Joined: 05 Jul 2007 Posts: 3
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Posted: Aug 19 2008 Post subject: First big cook...Did I screw up? |
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This is embarassing, but here goes. I fired up my DPP Fat 50 yesterday for the first time and smoked 24 butts. I got started at 5:30 am and the cook took A LOT longer than expected. It was just after midnight when I pulled them off and since I had to be at work early this morning, I decided I would pull them off the smoker, wrap them in foil and put them in the fridge. My plan was to re-heat them this evening and pull the meat after they were re-heated. I know that's not the ideal procedure, but it was my only option as I couldn't stay up 24 hours and then go in to work. Here's the problem. I checked on the meat when I got up this morning and apparently they were putting off so much heat last night that they heated my fridge up. They were luke warm this morning. I cranked the fridge up on the coldest setting and came to work. Is this meat ruined, or can I reheat it to temperature (190) and pull it?
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reptileink BBQ Pro

Joined: 07 Jun 2007 Posts: 849 Location: WOON-socket, RI
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First off, NEVER put hot meat in a cold refrigerator. You are just asking for trouble. Not only will they heat up your refrigerator(as you have experienced), they become prime breeding grounds for bacteria.
Food safety states that you have 4 hours at 40 degrees before you get into a danger zone!
"Bacteria grows most rapidly in the "Danger Zone" temperature range. This zone is between 40 F and 140 F. The idea is to refrigerate foods quickly because cold temperatures keep most harmful bacteria from multiplying. "
You might be ok, but the rest of your items in the fridge are probably in harm's way. _________________ Pro Q Frontier
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CrazyChef Site Admin

Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 1760 Location: Worcester, MA
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I'm not sure if this is according to the federal HD or just our county HD, but their guidelines state that food must be brought down to 70* within 2 hours of removal from heat source, then down to 40* or below within 4 more hours. _________________ "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits" - Albert Einstein |
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CrazyChef Site Admin

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| Teleking wrote: | | Sorry to say, I say ruined. Tough bill to swallow with lessons learned. |
I agree. "When in doubt, throw it out". It's a lot cheaper than an unexpected trip to the hospital.  _________________ "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits" - Albert Einstein |
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Jeff_From_VA BBQ Pro
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| That's a lot of butts to stick in a fridge. I am guessing this isn't a home type refrigerator? |
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istock74 BBQ Pro

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| Teleking wrote: | | Sorry to say, I say ruined. Tough bill to swallow with lessons learned. |
I'm sure it's not what you want to hear, or anyone for that matter. But, TK is right. It's just not worth the risk. _________________ Superior Smokers SS-One with Stoker
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JimmieOhio BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 1125 Location: east side of Cleveland, Ohio
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I agree with throwing 'em out.
What no one HAS suggested is how to prevent this in the future. I would have placed each butt in a plastic bag, plunged it in ice water to cool it quickly, THEN put it in the fridge. Am I right?
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lantern BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 2001 Location: Marion,NC
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To my calculations that was AT LEAST $200 worth of meat and 15 hours of your time.
It's a jagged pill, but I'd say error on the side of safety and trash them.
If I had to guess I'd say you stacked those butts in the fridge as well, right? Whole butts are tough to get down in temp as it is but when you stack them they turn into a GIANT block of meat. Your poor fridge had no chance at all to ever get that much mass cooled down in time.
Cooling down that much meat is a pretty big undertaking for a last minute decision. Sorry to hear about that. I couldn't start that kind of cook knowing I had to go to work early the next day. I'd be SPAZZING out all day watching my temps.  |
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Kansasboy Newbie
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| Matbe you could donate them to a homeless shelter.......I mean really...if they get sick as hell...it isn't like they will miss work or anything...lol |
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Jeff_From_VA BBQ Pro
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| Kansasboy wrote: | | Matbe you could donate them to a homeless shelter.......I mean really...if they get sick as hell...it isn't like they will miss work or anything...lol |
I am so going to hell for laughing at this. |
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Jeff_From_VA BBQ Pro
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BTW if this were just for me, I would take a chance and eat it, but there is no way in hell I would serve it to someone else.
My personal food safety standards are fairly low, as I know that the guidelines build in a large margin of error. When it comes to giving food to someone else, it better be tip top. |
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jess BBQ Super Pro
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| Kansasboy wrote: | | Matbe you could donate them to a homeless shelter.......I mean really...if they get sick as hell...it isn't like they will miss work or anything...lol | I REALLY hope that was a joke.... |
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Doc1680 BBQ Super Pro

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| wingwalker wrote: | | I fired up my DPP Fat 50 yesterday for the first time and smoked 24 butts. |
I'm no expert but I'd say that wasn't a wise move.
Man! I would have a had time giving up that much meat. But better to be on the safe side.
You should have taken some temps when you woke up. If they had just got under 140 (cause it doesn't sound like you were sleep too long) Then they may have been good. But you would have had to find somewhere else to put some of them so they could all cool down very quickly. Just a tought.
| jess wrote: | | Kansasboy wrote: | | Matbe you could donate them to a homeless shelter.......I mean really...if they get sick as hell...it isn't like they will miss work or anything...lol | I REALLY hope that was a joke.... |
I think it was....
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[quote="Kansasboy"]Matbe you could donate them to a homeless shelter.......I mean really...if they get sick as hell...it isn't like they will miss work or anything...lol[/quote
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Bad Santa Newbie
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I agree with JimmieO and lantern, toss them...they were in the danger zone temp way too long. Lawsuits for food poisoning is probably a very bad thing to go through.
To keep large quantities and bigger cuts of meat chilled, place them in large ice chests wrapped well in heavy foil then well in plastic along with some water and bags of ice in amongst them and not all the meats stacked together. Stagger them so that the ice water can have as many sides of exposure to the wrapped meats as possible. Plenty of ice too...
Trying to cool down meats in just a regular fridge that has other usual items in it, is hard at best. Even walk-ins get a temp rise when there are large quantities added to them. _________________ Yes, I'm bad; and nation wide...
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After i was done crying,this is where you find the butts......sorry
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OddThomas BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 2010 Location: North Carolina
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| JimmieOhio wrote: | | I would have placed each butt in a plastic bag, plunged it in ice water to cool it quickly, THEN put it in the fridge. Am I right? |
It would be close... I'd rather cool it after I pull it, then bag it and refrigerate--especially if you've got something like 24 buts to cool down.
As for the original question, I agree with the others... toss them. You might want to toss anything else in the refrigerator that was "warmed up" as well.
My question is how in the world did it take near 20 hours for those butts to get done? What temp were you cooking at? At what temp did you pull the butts off? |
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OddThomas BBQ Super Pro
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| Bad Santa wrote: | | Trying to cool down meats in just a regular fridge that has other usual items in it, is hard at best. Even walk-ins get a temp rise when there are large quantities added to them. |
That's because refrigerators aren't designed to cool hot foods. They are designed to keep cold foods cold. |
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OddThomas BBQ Super Pro
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| Kansasboy wrote: | | Matbe you could donate them to a homeless shelter.......I mean really...if they get sick as hell...it isn't like they will miss work or anything...lol |
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