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"Holy Smoke" BBQ Fan

Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 177 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Aug 17 2008 Post subject: Boston Butt Question..... |
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Do you PRO's like to REST your Butts before pulling like we do briskets before slicing?
If so how long dp you typically rest them?
Thanks...."Holy Smoke" |
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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Posted: Aug 17 2008 Post subject: |
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Not really a pro, but I like to let mine rest for a couple hours in a dry cooler or a cambro. _________________ Mike
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Big Daddy Woo Woo BBQ Fan
Joined: 28 Jun 2008 Posts: 283 Location: Mississippi Delta - Home of the Blues
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Posted: Aug 17 2008 Post subject: |
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No resting here. Of course, we are cooking shoulders and not butts. Should we ever cook butts for kcbs or non-sanctioned event, then there shall be no resting either. _________________ Backwoods Smoker - Upgraded Chubby
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mds2 BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 1366 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
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Posted: Aug 17 2008 Post subject: |
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I like to have mine done and in a cooler by about 10:00 am. _________________
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"Holy Smoke" BBQ Fan

Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 177 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Aug 17 2008 Post subject: |
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Thanks what temp do most of you pull at?
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Big Daddy Woo Woo BBQ Fan
Joined: 28 Jun 2008 Posts: 283 Location: Mississippi Delta - Home of the Blues
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Posted: Aug 17 2008 Post subject: |
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190 to serve right then. If you are going to pull them, wrap them and put them in a cooler, then you should pull before it gets to 190. Prolly 183 or so... _________________ Backwoods Smoker - Upgraded Chubby
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texanx5 BBQ Fan
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 301 Location: Zachary, LA
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Posted: Aug 17 2008 Post subject: |
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I take them to 198 or even to 203 depending on feel when I probe to temp. Then let them sit in dry cooler for about an hour before pulling. Super every time.  _________________ DDG
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SmokinOkie BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 2078
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Posted: Aug 17 2008 Post subject: |
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You need to cook your methods for your cooker. Trust me, telling you how I do it won't help. Your smoker, your times, your methods are all dependent on you, not the posts here.
Whether I hold or not....depends.
What temp I pull at...depends.
I would say those of us who've done this a number of years will say the key to winning is being able to adjust based upon that day. Shoot, one year, after 13 contests, I cooked them EXACTLY like I had been all year and they just didn't cook up right. Adjustments. You'll have to be able to taste and adjust that day.
I would just start doing some practice cooks, set up in the driveway and practice, practice, practice. The variables at a contest are just too numerous.
And didn't you say you weren't competing until 2009?
Buddy, get out there and do it, now. You've asked enough questions and you're over analizing it (my opinion) It's not a recipe, it's fun.
Compete this year, have some fun and you'll build up some experience now that you work on for next year. |
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"Holy Smoke" BBQ Fan

Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 177 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Aug 18 2008 Post subject: |
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| SmokinOkie wrote: | And didn't you say you weren't competing until 2009?
Buddy, get out there and do it, now. You've asked enough questions and you're over analizing it (my opinion) It's not a recipe, it's fun.
Compete this year, have some fun and you'll build up some experience now that you work on for next year. |
Smokin Okie, I've been smoking Q for 20 years so theres been lots of practice for sure, am I over analyzing it I have no idea i've never
competed, I know for sure 'll have fun because I like doing it obviously or I wouldnt do it for 20 years. Maybe what sets me apart from you is I care about winning, I'm not entering to finish in the top 10, I'm copmpeting to win whether it's my first comp or my 50th the goal will be the same to become Grand Champion period. I amart enough to know I won;t win every time out and maybe never but I can guarantee you that won;t change my goals. I raised my 3 sons to be good sports for sure but to give their 100% best effort every single game. I instilled within them that the effort that it takes to win is tremendous anyone can lose or finish second or 10th. If not everyone has the same level of committment it's much harder to win. I would often play less talented boys because they were more comittted to the teams goals than the all world natuarlly gifted boy who only cared about hismself. So feel free to question my thinking etc but please don't question my desire or goals to give my 100% best effort eveytime out.
About competing this year hmmmmm, there is a nice event in November so maybe I'll just take your advice on this one.
"Holy Smoke"
PS Have you ever won a sanctioned event? |
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Sirsmokealot BBQ Pro

Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 963 Location: N.E Indiana
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Posted: Aug 18 2008 Post subject: |
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| "Holy Smoke" wrote: | | SmokinOkie wrote: | And didn't you say you weren't competing until 2009?
Buddy, get out there and do it, now. You've asked enough questions and you're over analizing it (my opinion) It's not a recipe, it's fun.
Compete this year, have some fun and you'll build up some experience now that you work on for next year. |
Smokin Okie, I've been smoking Q for 20 years so theres been lots of practice for sure, am I over analyzing it I have no idea i've never
competed, I know for sure 'll have fun because I like doing it obviously or I wouldnt do it for 20 years. Maybe what sets me apart from you is I care about winning, I'm not entering to finish in the top 10, I'm copmpeting to win whether it's my first comp or my 50th the goal will be the same to become Grand Champion period. I amart enough to know I won;t win every time out and maybe never but I can guarantee you that won;t change my goals. I raised my 3 sons to be good sports for sure but to give their 100% best effort every single game. I instilled within them that the effort that it takes to win is tremendous anyone can lose or finish second or 10th. If not everyone has the same level of committment it's much harder to win. I would often play less talented boys because they were more comittted to the teams goals than the all world natuarlly gifted boy who only cared about hismself. So feel free to question my thinking etc but please don't question my desire or goals to give my 100% best effort eveytime out.
About competing this year hmmmmm, there is a nice event in November so maybe I'll just take your advice on this one.
"Holy Smoke"
PS Have you ever won a sanctioned event? |
In what way did okie question your will to win? Ease up a little. I know exactly what okie is talking about, and I just completed only my 2nd contest. Our team practiced HARD for about three months, did alot of "real time" practicing also. (getting everything presented at a set time, within the half hours allowed) Let me tell you, the Q you've cooked for a good portion of your life, has cooked slightly different many, many, different times. You just haven't noticed or cared 'cause, more times than not, it just tastes great. In the comps you're shooting for a definate color, taste, and texture and getting there is not as easy as it is in your backyard cooking for yourself, your family, or your neighbors.
In no way do I question your will to win OR your ability to turn out some great Q, because I'm sure both are strong. I just hope when you throw your hat into this ring you don't underestimate your fellow competitors wills and/or abilities either. They are competing to WIN also AND they have you beat out in the COMPETITION EXPERIENCE category.
BTW I've only done 2 comps. Yesterday we finished 25/60 and we're happy to do so against a strong field of experienced competitors. Did I want to do better than that? You bet your @ss. Our team has learned so much in just 2 comps AND held our own. We're going to build on that and get to the point that we are the experienced champions. Why? I guess I also have that burning desire to win.  _________________ The Double Eagle Clubhouse Grille
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"Holy Smoke" BBQ Fan

Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 177 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Aug 18 2008 Post subject: |
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Sirsmokealot. I have no way of knowing on a message board ones intentions and so I asked him to PLEASE not question my desire, never saying he was but rather asking him not to.
Were all different thankfully, but why tell someone you dont know that they are over analyzing something. For example you admitted to being happy to finish 25th out of 60 and so even though I would never be happy with thoise results who am I to question your planning, practice, temps etc??? I asked a simple question about resting butts before pulling like we do briskets thats all. If he thinks I'm over analyzing fine....whereas my opinion is that he isnt motivated in the same way I am.
"Holy Smoke"
PS The Cubs still suck 
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mds2 BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 1366 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
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Posted: Aug 18 2008 Post subject: |
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| "Holy Smoke" wrote: | Sirsmokealot. I have no way of knowing on a message board ones intentions and so I asked him to PLEASE not question my desire, never saying he was but rather asking him not to.
Were all different thankfully, but why tell someone you dont know that they are over analyzing something. For example you admitted to being happy to finish 25th out of 60 and so even though I would never be happy with thoise results who am I to question your planning, practice, temps etc??? I asked a simple question about what temps do you pull your butts thats all. If he thinks I'm over analyzing fine....whereas my opinion is that he isnt moticated in the same way I am.
"Holy Smoke"
PS The Cubs still suck  |
Bluesman, is that you? _________________
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Sa-Mokin BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 1117 Location: Okrahoma
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Posted: Aug 18 2008 Post subject: |
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Hey Holy', practice all you want, it certainly can't hurt! However, I can assure you that you will experience competition like you never expected when you start doing barbeque cook-offs. There are some unbelievable cooks out there. Yah, we all do it for fun but if you think we spend tens of thousands of dollars and don't take it serious as a heart attack and all strive to win, I'm afraid you are mistaken!
Best of luck to you, I really do hope you meet your goals! _________________ Sa-Mokin Competition Barbeque
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Sirsmokealot BBQ Pro

Joined: 23 Apr 2007 Posts: 963 Location: N.E Indiana
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| "Holy Smoke" wrote: | Sirsmokealot. I have no way of knowing on a message board ones intentions and so I asked him to PLEASE not question my desire, never saying he was but rather asking him not to.
Were all different thankfully, but why tell someone you dont know that they are over analyzing something. For example you admitted to being happy to finish 25th out of 60 and so even though I would never be happy with thoise results who am I to question your planning, practice, temps etc??? I asked a simple question about resting butts before pulling like we do briskets thats all. If he thinks I'm over analyzing fine....whereas my opinion is that he isnt motivated in the same way I am.
"Holy Smoke"
PS The Cubs still suck  |
Motivation and results are two different things. You can ask all the questions you want, and prepare yourself to compete over and over and over again. I'm telling you when you get to the comp it's different. You won't know until you do it, but when you do, trust me, you'll know.
As far as you sticking your nose in the air at my results in my 2nd ever competition; I hope you win GC your 1st time out, because your arrogance is setting you up for a HUGE disappointment.
BTW:
National League Central
Chicago Cubs 76 48 .613
Milwaukee Brewers 71 54 .568 5.5
St. Louis Cardinals 70 57 .551 7.5
Houston Astros 63 61 .508 13.0
Pittsburgh Pirates 55 69 .444 21.0
Cincinnati Reds 55 70 .440 21.5
 _________________ The Double Eagle Clubhouse Grille
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mds2 BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 1366 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
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Posted: Aug 18 2008 Post subject: |
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| Sirsmokealot wrote: |
Motivation and results are two different things. You can ask all the questions you want, and prepare yourself to compete over and over and over again. I'm telling you when you get to the comp it's different. You won't know until you do it, but when you do, trust me, you'll know.
As far as you sticking your nose in the air at my results in my 2nd ever competition; I hope you win GC your 1st time out, because your arrogance is setting you up for a HUGE disappointment.
BTW:
National League Central
Chicago Cubs 76 48 .613
Milwaukee Brewers 71 54 .568 5.5
St. Louis Cardinals 70 57 .551 7.5
Houston Astros 63 61 .508 13.0
Pittsburgh Pirates 55 69 .444 21.0
Cincinnati Reds 55 70 .440 21.5
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I'd be very happy with those results at my first comp! Good job! My first one I didnt have a clue what I was doing, and did not do very well. What a difference 5 years makes.
The only thing that is going to make you a better competition cook is cooking at a competition. In my opinion, experience is about 90% of what you need to be successful. _________________
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Bedlam BBQ BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 31 Aug 2006 Posts: 1610 Location: Broken Arrow, OK
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Hey Holy, you say you've been queing for 20 years. Then you should know how to cook great que. If you think you are going to get winning step-by-step instructions from teams that have been competing for years, you might as well forget it. If they give out what they've practiced and are winning with -- then their close competitiors would find out their secrets cuz we all read this forum.
I've been queing for about 10 years and really thought I knew what I was doing. I even competed with another team at a couple of comps -- that's what gave me the bug to want to compete. I've done 3 comps this year and still looking for my first walk. But I know I'm going up against some of the best comp teams around that have been competiting for years. I thought I would "win it all" at my first comp and ended up 36th out of 77 teams. Yes, I was disappointed but I was also proud of my accomplishments and knew I needed to practice more. As it has been mentioned before, cooking at competitions is a lot different than cooking at home. _________________ Steve
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"Holy Smoke" BBQ Fan

Joined: 04 Jan 2007 Posts: 177 Location: Phoenix AZ
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"As far as you sticking your nose in the air at my results in my 2nd ever competition; I hope you win GC your 1st time out, because your arrogance is setting you up for a HUGE disappointment."
What are you crazy? I'm not sticking my nose in the air at your results, if your fine with like you said then I'm fine with it for you. Is it wrong for me to not be happy if it were me? Hell no and you know it. Do I think I'm going to be GC first or 10th time out most likely not but it won't keep me from trying and doing all the research and practice I can. Don't bang on me just becuase I repeated what you already admitted about yourself.
Regarding the National League Centrals standings I'll say a couple of things. 1. It's only August and we all know the cubs have been in 1st place in August before. 2. Cubs=Cursed 3. Mark Cuban would be good for the Cub's 4. Steve Bartman already has his playoff tickets 5. Seriously the cubs are way better than they have been in 50 years and should be plaing oin the world series unless the curse is real.
"The only thing that is going to make you a better competition cook is cooking at a competition. In my opinion, experience is about 90% of what you need to be successful."
I won't disagree with that.
"Hey Holy, you say you've been queing for 20 years. Then you should know how to cook great que. If you think you are going to get winning step-by-step instructions from teams that have been competing for years, you might as well forget it. If they give out what they've practiced and are winning with -- then their close competitiors would find out their secrets cuz we all read this forum."
AGGIE ALERT, you must be from stillwater with a post like that.. ...Seriuously SSTory I asked if people rested their Butts like they do briskets? That's not asking for step by step instructions... in my opinion your comment is borderline foolish because there are a tons of similar questions posted every week.....afterall it's a message board forum for heavens sake as a matter of fact I bet I could do a seaqrch and find similar questions even you have asked over the years. What Gives SSTory?? Finally I'm glad you were dissappointed with 36th place.
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DawgPhan BBQ Super Pro
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DawgPhan BBQ Super Pro
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| oh and I rest, but I probably do it a little different than most of the folks reading this thread... |
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"Holy Smoke" BBQ Fan

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| DawgPhan wrote: | | oh and I rest, but I probably do it a little different than most of the folks reading this thread... |
Thanks DAWG....thats all I was looking for....
Are your Dawg's gonna do it this year? Highly Ranked....I wouldnt mind my Sooners playing them in a bowl game! As long as it's not in Arizona
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