KCBS question

[barnburner180]

I am taking my master's test for KCBS certification and a couple of the questions I just am not sure about. I am hoping the collective here will be able to come to a consensus answer. Please remember, this is purely by KCBS rules and regs. Also, it's an open book test, and I am free to ask questions of anyone, so I am not cheating for those who think it is.

Question 29. What is the proper score for improper garnish? Appearance/Taste/Tenderness?

A. 2 8 9

B. 1 6 6

C. 1 1 1

D. 2 6 6

E. Both A and D

F. All of the above

G. None of the above

and...
Question 31. What is the correct legal score for bloody juice? Chicken: Appearance/Taste/Tenderness?

A. 1 1 1

B. 1 2 1

C. 1 6 1

D. 8 2 2

E. 7 9 1

F. Both B and C

G. All of the above

H. None of the above

Thanks

[Bedlam BBQ]

I'll jump out there on this one.

I'd say B for question 29. The appearance would be DQ'd, but the taste and tenderness scores would still be based on the judging.

I'd say D for question 31. Bloody juices from the chicken would make you sick, but if not seen, it wouldn't affect appeance. I don't think it would constitute a DQ though.
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[allsmokenofire]

I agree w/ Steve.
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[DawgPhan]

I also think that on the bloody chicken it depends on what has happened at the table.

If my understand is correct, if someone has already marked a score for a piece of chicken that score stands. If you havent scored your chicken yet and the person next to you finds bloody chicken, you dont have to score your priece, but you can choose to score your piece.

I think that all scores written on the score card, have to stand though. So if someone took 1 small bite for taste, marked a score and then started pulling it apart for tenderness and found blood...the taste score would have to stand and the tenderness would be a 1.

Good luck...

[SIMPLE Q]

I turned in a not done pc of chicken at a june comp and they judged me a 9-2-2. Of course, the un doneness was not evident when looking at the entry, and they had to blot the entry with a napkin once the entry was pulled apart. Another judge gave me a 9-2-5 which I couldn't figure out his scoring because if he gave me a 2 for flavor (being it was unedible) you would think he would have done the same for tenderness. None the less the contest rep did visit me with the pc of undone chicken and told me why I should expect the low score and that I was not dq'd
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[ralph weller]

for Q 29 I would say G none of the above. You have to give it a 1 for the DQ and then judge it for tenderness and taste and since you don't know how tender or how it tasted you can't score it.
for Q31. I'm going with H none of the above. You can score it for appearance but I beleive it says in the book that if chicken has bloody juice you are not required to sample it. If you don't sample it you can't score it. Of course you need to tell your table captain and then he/she reports it to the rep.

Let us know how this turns out.

[SoEzzy]

As ralph stated on the first question rule 9 of the 2008 rules and regulations say that incorrect garnish will score a 1 only for appearance, so as you would still be giving it a taste and tenderness score and that cant be determined until you've actually tasted it. So B could be the score, but you'd have to taste and texture score itt with the 6 6, so G would be my answer here.

On question 31 I'd go with A 1 1 1 as if yo serve me bloody meat I'll brin it to the table captains notice, and he would bring it to the rep, and I would expect the rep to DQ it, in which case the appearance score would be crossed out and on the back of the score card a notation would be made about the team blind number and the corrected score, this would all be done under the authority of the rep. Section 5 of the judging procedures.

At least that's my read on the rules!

I wait enlightenment too!
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[barnburner180]

Thanks everyone, these are judgmental questions and I think there are several right answers.

[qdoc]

29. B Improper garnish is 1 in appearance and what ever for the rest.
31. D Bloody chicken could recieve 8 for appearance but should recieve
2 (inedible) for both taste and tenderness.

[Merl]

Ding, Ding, Ding Qdoc wins the grand prize.
Good answers.
Merl
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[allsmokenofire]

[BBQMAN]

Wow, I wish comp rules applied to catering- not!

Bloody chicken would be considered a DQ, valid reason for not paying the bill, a HD complaint, and a possible lawsuit if you had a documented case of making folks sick.

You guys got it made!
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[Big Tom]

[allsmokenofire]

[JimmieOhio]

[EastTennQcrew]

Jimmie,

That depends on which events??

Some around here allow you to if you have all the permits and are legal. You can do both.

RandyE
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[JimmieOhio]

[EastTennQcrew]

I understand what your saying. There a few teams that compete and vend.

The Texas Rib Rangers come to mind right off the bat.


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