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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Bryant wrote:
Hi Steve and Tom,

Great looking pit, thanks for posting. Workmanship is top notch.

Couple of dumb questions if you don't mind:

#1. What specifically were you going for or trying to accomplish with this design?

#2. Can you talk a little about insulation and any pros / cons you think it gives you here on this design and if it's much different than your more traditional style horizontal offsets?

#3. Do you have a rule of thumb for firebox size? Seems most of your pits lean toward a larger firebox.

#4. On the firebox door, there is a rectangular piece of flat stock next to the latch. What is that for?

Sorry for so many questions. You guys obviously have things dialed in and we appreciate your willingness to share and help here. Thanks a lot.

J

first let me say that the color was not my idea(lol) we took a vote in the shop and the green won
yes it is fully insulated , even the doors and between each compartment

what i was going for was a stick burner that could hold 3 seperate temps and do the 3 main catogories at once, i wanted to be able to have
280, 250, 225 at the same time off of one heat source and use all wood
the unit is very controllable , i took it out to the cookoff and fired it up to get feedback and show that i could controll each chamber as i needed to
with a quick adjustmant i was able to make any chamber hotter or colder without affecting the other to chambers, and even make the closest chamber to the firebox the coolest one, you have the ability to run any temps you want in any chamber you desire, i was well pleased with it

the firebox is insulated in order to cut down on heat loss and therefore i made it smaller to cut down on weight, it worked out really well, once i achieved my temps they didnt vary for about 3 hours

the plate on the firebox door is to help out the insulated door from getting abused

with this unit being insulated everywhere it lets you have more down time and not chase the fire all night long, i went as long as 4 hours without touching it and it only dropped 10 degrees before i restoke it

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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Steve. That's really helpful.

One last question and I'll stop bugging you.

What gauge steel did you use and how thick is the insulation?

Thanks.

J
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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

1/8th plate everywhere except the firebox its all 1/4 steel box inside of box 3in of isulation on top and 2 inches on the sides
i used 1.5 creamic k-wool density 6 insulatin rated at 2800 degrees

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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Steve. Keep up the great work.

J
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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this pit over the weekend and let me tell you all It's really really nice and I LOVE the color. Great job Steve. I also had to admire the blue Pit Tom and Mary were cooking on, the roof/storage system is very slick. Especially how the struts were mounted. Top notch engineering right there!
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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey zilla, thanxs for the kind words
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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome description of a very innovative design Steve.

Thanks for sharing!
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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another great looking cooker. I really like the green where did you get high temp green?
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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smokin_On-The_Rio wrote:
Another great looking cooker. I really like the green where did you get high temp green?

Because the entire unit is insulated, we didn't need high temp paint. (I like the metallic green too)
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Nice set up Brother
Kinda like running multiple Backwoods or Spicewines
What kinda burn times do you get?
Can you sleep?
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PostPosted: May 13 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve and Tom,

If this is something you'd rather not share, no problem. But how are you directing and controlling heat to each chamber?

From the first post, it looks like you've got pipes coming out of the firebox, one to each chamber.

Is the heat control just basically a damper on each pipe?

Edit to add: I'm guessing the pipes are different diameters right? Wouldn't the pipe for the chamber furthest away have to be narrower diameter than the pipe for the chamber closest so they'd draw somewhat the same? In other words, if the pipes are like "chimneys", do you have to compensate and try to make the "chimney volume" roughly the same? I'd think without that, the longest pipe would draw most of the smoke / heat. But then again, maybe I'm thinking wrong...

Again, if that's something you'd rather not share, no worries. I was just interested in how you were heating the different chambers.

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PostPosted: May 14 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey joe, if i told you how i did it i would have to kill you,
just kidding, there is pipes running from the firebox to each chamber
i ran them in a way to help the flow and come into the each chamber directly in the middle, lots of thinking went into it to each chamber to flow the same
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Thanks Steve.

J
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PostPosted: May 15 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I was sold on the model when I saw it two months ago, but that green paint pushes it over the top. Awesome job, Steve.
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PostPosted: May 15 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This pit is no longer a concept, it is just a matter of production as needed. This unit will give you maximum use of every internal inch of cook space. All racks are same size from top to bottom, left, center, and right chambers. You have flexibility with movement from rack to rack. You also get great space for hang smoking, such as sausage or Paul Kirk style cooking.

Added options like a bat wing style roof system, storage, and work areas would make this one hell of a war wagon at comps and catering events.

Good show Steve and Tom!
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PostPosted: May 15 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Tom and Steve,

I may have missed it but what are the dimensions for the cooking chamber and the firebox?

It's 4 grates per chamber, right? What are the grate dimensions?

Do you have any pricing on it yet?

Again, great job. This is very close to what I've been kicking around in my head in what I want in a cooker. The flexibility is a big thing for me. I want to be able to cook for 300 every so often but the reality is that most of the time it'll be more like cooking for 30. I think with this rig, you could do both. Cook with all 3 or close off 2 and cook with 1. Am I thinking right there?

Nice work.

J
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yes you are correct, all 3 or just 1 or 2,
it has as many as 5 shelves as the very top one is for hanging meat
the ones we are gonna put in production will have all the same size shelves aprox 24x24 or even bigger 30x30 if desired, the doors can open anyway you want , all the same direction or like i have there, lots of flexibility there and even different choice of colors to match your fav sports team
tom is working on the pricing so feel free to give him a call, there are so many things i could do with this setup that it is unreal
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Thanks Steve.

Would you guys by chance have one of these in Memphis In May this weekend? I've been thinking of maybe making the trip over.

J
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PostPosted: May 15 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top notch! Very innovative design.
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Nice pit and awsome design!
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