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marvsbbq BBQ All Star

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Posted: Jan 19 2008 Post subject: THREE pound baby backs???? |
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A local micro-brewery has opened and decided to see BBQ (cooking on a Southern Pride) to go along with his brew..
On his website http://speedwaybrewing.com/ he CLAIMS to have THREE pound baby back ribs.
We sell the biggest baby backs in town.
The chains sell 1.5 to 1.75 lb racks, ours average 3 lbs
I have been barbecuing a long time and although I will be the first to admit that I haven't seen everything nor know everything...I have never seen or heard of THREE pound baby back ribs..
Now that being said...I know there are some BIG babies born (not sure about BIG baby pigs.. ) but...... _________________ Often imitated but never duplicated |
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Megla BBQ Fan
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They are Pork Loin ribs and a large part of the loin has been left on the cut.
I get them all the time here from a local butcher. |
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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I agree w/ Megla...we got a meat market here that will cut them that way too.
My experience w/ them has not been favorable. You get 2 different types of meat on the slab, the rib meat and the extra loin meat that's left on. The loin meat starts to dry out past 160* and the rib meat doesn't start getting tender until 20*-25* or so past that. I've cooked them to where the rib meat was tender and the loin meat was dried out and a little chewy, and I've cooked them to where the loin meat was perfect, but the rib meat was tough, but I never could figure out how to get both done the way I wanted.
....but that's just me.  _________________ Mike
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marvsbbq BBQ All Star

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| Megla wrote: | They are Pork Loin ribs and a large part of the loin has been left on the cut.
I get them all the time here from a local butcher. |
I guess it is all in what you can get away with... Baby Backs
A term used to describe the size of a Loin Back Rib. Unfortunately, many times the term is applied to any size Loin Back Rib. A true Baby Back Rib is 1 3/4 lb. or lighter.
Like calling flank steak served in a tortilla a Fajita when in fact a "TRUE" Fajita is served with Skirt stealk...
OR better yet....Calling "boneless ribs" a rib... Still haven't figured that one out..  _________________ Often imitated but never duplicated |
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Megla BBQ Fan
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| allsmokenofire wrote: | I agree w/ Megla...we got a meat market here that will cut them that way too.
My experience w/ them has not been favorable. You get 2 different types of meat on the slab, the rib meat and the extra loin meat that's left on. The loin meat starts to dry out past 160* and the rib meat doesn't start getting tender until 20*-25* or so past that. I've cooked them to where the rib meat was tender and the loin meat was dried out and a little chewy, and I've cooked them to where the loin meat was perfect, but the rib meat was tough, but I never could figure out how to get both done the way I wanted.
....but that's just me.  |
I have to brine them in order to keep the loin moist. |
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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| Megla wrote: | | allsmokenofire wrote: | I agree w/ Megla...we got a meat market here that will cut them that way too.
My experience w/ them has not been favorable. You get 2 different types of meat on the slab, the rib meat and the extra loin meat that's left on. The loin meat starts to dry out past 160* and the rib meat doesn't start getting tender until 20*-25* or so past that. I've cooked them to where the rib meat was tender and the loin meat was dried out and a little chewy, and I've cooked them to where the loin meat was perfect, but the rib meat was tough, but I never could figure out how to get both done the way I wanted.
....but that's just me.  |
I have to brine them in order to keep the loin moist. |
Good idea....never thought of that. _________________ Mike
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marvsbbq BBQ All Star

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Thanks guys.....are these ribs generally more expensive than regular spare ribs??
I think in all my years of catering, I have only been asked to cook baby back ribs once...that was for a Christmas party and they wanted the most expensive thing on my menu  _________________ Often imitated but never duplicated |
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BRONCOSTU BBQ Fan

Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 272 Location: PHILLY, PA
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I don't usually get ribs out at restaurants. I don't know about the menu, but the beer sounds pretty good! What kind of hours are these? I just can't imagine getting shoo-ed out of a bar at 10:00 on a saturday night. I do some of my best drinking on thursday night. "Sorry sir, it's 8:00, u have to leave. They start flashing the lights at 7:30? "Last call!"
Beach/resort town?
This was copied from their web site.
Hours of Operation:
Fall Hours: CLOSED Monday. OPEN Tuesday - Thursday 11am to 8pm
Friday 11am - 10pm, Saturday Noon to 10pm
Sunday Noon - 6pm (until further notice) _________________ "WHEN IS IT GONNA B DONE?!?!?!?!"
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river Q
Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 12 Location: Gold Bar, WA.
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allsmokenofire wrote:
| Quote: | I agree w/ Megla...we got a meat market here that will cut them that way too.
My experience w/ them has not been favorable. You get 2 different types of meat on the slab, the rib meat and the extra loin meat that's left on. The loin meat starts to dry out past 160* and the rib meat doesn't start getting tender until 20*-25* or so past that. I've cooked them to where the rib meat was tender and the loin meat was dried out and a little chewy, and I've cooked them to where the loin meat was perfect, but the rib meat was tough, but I never could figure out how to get both done the way I wanted.
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The PNWBA had a charity rib challenge cookoff at the Kenmore Safeway last year and Safeway provided the ribs. As meaty as they were the taste and texture wasn't the same. Almost like a confused chewey pork chop. At first I thought my Q was way off my game, but after talking and tasting the other teams ribs they were no different than mine. As for price the general manager said they were quite a bit more expensive and only special ordered them for that cookoff...He does not Q.
I wouldn't worry about it too much Marv. If I were to order these, I'm sure they would be expensive but having eatin lots of ribs before I would be dissapointed. I think it would be like ordering an expensive ribeye steak and they cooked it to death!
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Big Mike BBQ Pro
Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 863 Location: Dayton, Ohio
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| marvsbbq wrote: | Thanks guys.....are these ribs generally more expensive than regular spare ribs??
I think in all my years of catering, I have only been asked to cook baby back ribs once...that was for a Christmas party and they wanted the most expensive thing on my menu  |
Price per lb is more expensive. Usually 3.99 - 4.99lb around here. Spares are normally 1.99lb. _________________ Mike
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Megla BBQ Fan
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I get them for 4.39 a pound loin on
You can get BB in a 3 pack for 2.68 a pound at Sams |
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DawgPhan BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 12 May 2005 Posts: 3444
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| marvsbbq wrote: | | Megla wrote: | They are Pork Loin ribs and a large part of the loin has been left on the cut.
I get them all the time here from a local butcher. |
I guess it is all in what you can get away with... Baby Backs
A term used to describe the size of a Loin Back Rib. Unfortunately, many times the term is applied to any size Loin Back Rib. A true Baby Back Rib is 1 3/4 lb. or lighter.
Like calling flank steak served in a tortilla a Fajita when in fact a "TRUE" Fajita is served with Skirt stealk...
OR better yet....Calling "boneless ribs" a rib... Still haven't figured that one out..  |
Is this kinda like a true prime rib being a rib roast that is graded prime?
but now folks just refer to any rib roast as a prime rib... |
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 5051 Location: Oklahoma
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| DawgPhan wrote: | | marvsbbq wrote: | | Megla wrote: | They are Pork Loin ribs and a large part of the loin has been left on the cut.
I get them all the time here from a local butcher. |
I guess it is all in what you can get away with... Baby Backs
A term used to describe the size of a Loin Back Rib. Unfortunately, many times the term is applied to any size Loin Back Rib. A true Baby Back Rib is 1 3/4 lb. or lighter.
Like calling flank steak served in a tortilla a Fajita when in fact a "TRUE" Fajita is served with Skirt stealk...
OR better yet....Calling "boneless ribs" a rib... Still haven't figured that one out..  |
Is this kinda like a true prime rib being a rib roast that is graded prime?
but now folks just refer to any rib roast as a prime rib... |
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necron 99 BBQ Super Pro

Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 2594 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Posted: Jan 19 2008 Post subject: |
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I've been able to get 3 lb racks of pork loin back ribs (supermarket label baby back ribs) for $2.99 / lb when on sale in this area - regular price is $5.99 / lb for these here.
I've had best results using a 2-2-1 (or so) method with no rub or marinade, then basting the racks with a fruit based vinegarette each hour before foiling.
Whole Foods also has these, price in this area was $9.29 / lb. last time I looked there
edit - added pics
This pair from Winn Dixie when on BOGO - effective price $3.02 / lb
This slightly lighter pair from Matherne's when on sale @ $2.99 / lb.
Here's some results I've had with similar size racks.
http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12162&highlight= _________________ Let's hope SoEzzy can ditch his heavy hand on photos in 2016!
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Mike Lawry BBQ Super Pro
Joined: 18 May 2006 Posts: 2122 Location: Parts unknown
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| allsmokenofire wrote: | | Megla wrote: | | allsmokenofire wrote: | I agree w/ Megla...we got a meat market here that will cut them that way too.
My experience w/ them has not been favorable. You get 2 different types of meat on the slab, the rib meat and the extra loin meat that's left on. The loin meat starts to dry out past 160* and the rib meat doesn't start getting tender until 20*-25* or so past that. I've cooked them to where the rib meat was tender and the loin meat was dried out and a little chewy, and I've cooked them to where the loin meat was perfect, but the rib meat was tough, but I never could figure out how to get both done the way I wanted.
....but that's just me.  |
I have to brine them in order to keep the loin moist. |
Good idea....never thought of that. |
My Local Kroger sells these from time to time for 2.99 a lb on sale.
But they are enhanced meat here. And thats a good price on them + I get good results for backyard bbq,( I buy them from time to time) BUT, I mostly buy the regular on sale spare ribs for about 1.79 a lb.
Mike Lawry. |
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Harry Nutczak BBQ All Star

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 8558 Location: The Northwoods
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Posted: Jan 20 2008 Post subject: |
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3-pound baby-back ribs???????
Hmm, Considering a true baby-back rack is generally accepted as being 1.5-pounds & down.
False advertsing? Or complete ignorance?
He is selling 3-pound loin-back ribs, Same part of the pig, just from a much older pig and of course alot less tender and more fatty then a young pig that would render a true Baby-Back.. _________________ Just remember that the toes you may step on during your climb to the top will also be attached to the a$$es you'll be forced to kiss on your way back down! |
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Big Tom BBQ Super Pro

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Posted: Jan 21 2008 Post subject: |
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I would call the 3 pounders' "fat backs" instead of baby backs.
The specific weights for the terminology has already been captured by others.
Just how big of a slaughter hog would be have to have to cut those 10 bones from? _________________ Big Tom
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allsmokenofire BBQ All Star

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Harry Nutczak BBQ All Star

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Ok Einstein, is there some sort of miniture pig that the small racks come from then?
The younger the pig, the smaller it is, right? The smaller the pig from being younger also equates to a more tender pig. Right?
Therefore true baby-back ribs come from pigs that are younger in age & smaller in stature. it is not that they just cut the racks smaller, the ribs themselves are more small & tender.
The Term "Baby-Back" by it's true defenition is a rack that is 1.5 pounds or less. BUT! People some have perverted that term to insinuate that any back-loin ribs can be called baby-back's which is totally false.
Anything over 1.5 pounds is properly termed as "Loin-Back Ribs" and not a true baby-back rack.
Many unscrupulous business's started realizing that if they use the term baby-back on "Loin-back" ribs, they could command more money from the uneducated public. And it worked! _________________ Just remember that the toes you may step on during your climb to the top will also be attached to the a$$es you'll be forced to kiss on your way back down! |
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David BBQ Super Fan
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Posted: Jan 22 2008 Post subject: |
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Your half right and to somewhat on the right path. I cutup hundreds of pigs a year and the size of the pig has true say so on the name of the cut. The name of the cut is the same on all animal reguardles of weight. If this is what you think then is the chops on a small hog called pig chops and a larger hog called pork chops?No!! It is all merchandising because the name Baby back is more apealling than Loin back.
I will tell you from expierence that not all larger hogs are tough and not all small hogs are tender. So your thought their is not always true because their size isn't the only factor in tenderness. Just 1 factor but not alway the only factor. |
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