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Slamdunkpro
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PostPosted: Sep 25 2005    Post subject: Bitter rib problem solved!! Reply with quote

Took everyone’s advice from my bitter ribs post today and fired up the smoker for some ribs and a rolled turkey breast. Kept the fire smaller & hotter with less wood. Used hardwood lump charcoal this time instead of briquettes. I also let the pit go for almost an hour until the temp was stable at 248 (using my ProCom 4 Wireless Guru – cool device)

I brined the ribs for 4 hours, then rubbed and sat them for 2. Into the smoker at 250 for 6 – 61/2 hours (until the turkey breast was done), mopped after 3 hours on the hour and rotated the ribs in the cooker.

Ribs were falling off the bone tender, moist and above all not bitter, yet they had a good smoke flavor.. Only disappointment was the rub was too salty – have to work on that. Oh, well, plenty more ribs in the freezer.

Thanks to all! Very Happy Very Happy

PS – cool gadget time – I went over to my restaurant supply house and got a stainless steel 71/2 quart soup server & lid like they use in steam trays at buffets. I mixed up my mop in this and set it right on the offset firebox. The lid has a spoon slot that a cotton mop fits in perfectly. Hot mop ready at all times without screwing around in the indoor kitchen.
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PostPosted: Sep 25 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats Slamdunk.I did a couple of bad batches myself. The first one that comes out just right is always great. The guys in this forum are some of the best I've talked with.
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PostPosted: Sep 25 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

6 hours at 248 seems a bit long for ribs. But you can't argue with success!

One big tip I got here was watching the bone. When it begins to stick out away (seperate) from the meat (hard to describe) the ribs are about done. This has been the best indicator for me, but it makes me lift the lid too much.
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PostPosted: Sep 26 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve-O wrote:
6 hours at 248 seems a bit long for ribs. But you can't argue with success!

One big tip I got here was watching the bone. When it begins to stick out away (seperate) from the meat (hard to describe) the ribs are about done. This has been the best indicator for me, but it makes me lift the lid too much.


If you read this post Steve-O he said they were fall off the bone tender, I agree thats a bit over done for my tastes as well but I think that is what Slamdunk wants his ribs to be like. He is still new to the smoked rib thiny and I believe, given time, he will learn the difference and realize there should be just a bit of meat stick to the bone. Personally I do mine for 6 hours as well but try to keep the smoker at 220 degrees, never had em fall off the bone I might say, short of eating at our local smoke house where over cooked is the order of the day.
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PostPosted: Sep 26 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I guess we can't all be perfect.
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PostPosted: Sep 26 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who said anything about being perfect, experience is what its about. Ask around and you will find fall off the bone is over cooked and if your ribs should ever be judged they would be rejected and what a shame that would be. Thats not me making it up, thats the way it is dude, long before I ever smoked a rib, I just happen to agree.

I am glad you solved the problem you had with your ribs being bitter.
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PostPosted: Sep 26 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slamdunk...glad the ribs turned out better, sounds like you'll have it pegged after you tweak the rub a little.
IMHO, sometimes its easy to get caught up in the "right" way or the "wrong" way to cook Q. All I know is this, the only judges you need to please are the ones sitting around the table with you at dinner time. At the end of the meal, when everyone talks about how awesome the Q was, thats when you know you did it "right"...and don't let anyone else tell you any different.

Good Luck!!
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PostPosted: Sep 26 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on the ribs! The best part is, you only get better every time you do it!

I'm curious about the "rolled turkey breast." Is that the type you see in a deli used for sandwich slices. How did that turn out? Did the smoke penetrate at all? My smoker is too small, due to an upper warming rack, to fit a whole turkey in it, so this might be a cool avenue for me to explore.
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PostPosted: Sep 27 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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6 hours at 248 seems a bit long for ribs.


Steve-O

Agreed, I’m surprised at how long things are taking in this pit. I though it might be a thermometer problem but a check with my Fluke says the pit instruments are good. Could be a thermal mass issue or insulation issue – I’m going to run some tests this week to look for thermoclines or cold/hot spots.

I prefer the “flop” method to the “bone sticking out” method for doneness. Pick them up with a pair of tongs a quarter of the way in from the large end. If the ribs flop or drop 90 degrees – they’re done.
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PostPosted: Sep 27 2005    Post subject: Turkey breasts Reply with quote

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Congrats on the ribs! The best part is, you only get better every time you do it!.


Like my wife keeps saying “Honey, don’t you think you should practice your ribs again this weekend??”

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I'm curious about the "rolled turkey breast." Is that the type you see in a deli used for sandwich slices.


No, it’s not a “loaf” Basically it’s a turkey breast boned, then folded and frozen, so you get the meat grain and texture. It’s more like the breast meat you see at Boston Market.

I buy them at a commercial restaurant supply house 2 to a case. They run 7 – 8 pounds per. They are designed to be cooked in a convection over as them come in a roasting bag. I thaw them out, cut them out of the bag, season and throw in the pit. They already have some injection so they don’t require a lot of rub. Use a probe thermometer, at 160 they’re done.

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How did that turn out? Did the smoke penetrate at all?


They are great. My friends and family love them. I’ve been doing these for years, you get a nice smoke ring and good flavor, just don’t over smoke them.. Around the holidays I get huge requests for them from friends.
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PostPosted: Sep 27 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on the success! As far as falling off the bone vs a little bit of tug, thats like asking if ribs should be wet or dry. Laughing
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Congrats on the success! As far as falling off the bone vs a little bit of tug, thats like asking if ribs should be wet or dry.


Oh, there was a little tug, to me overdone is when the rack falls apart or breaks in half with you flop it. As for the rest, as long as my family, my friends and I are happy, I couldn’t care less what some self important “judge” thinks.

BTW there’ something besides dry ribs???????? Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sep 27 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is your recipe for the turkey breast? They sound very good.

Also learned something. I think next time I do spare ribs, I'll St. Louis cut them, then leave the ends in to cook a bit longer than the ribs and keep these piece (falling off the bone) for sandwiches.
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Well, there’s not really a recipe but here goes.

I thaw them in the fridge, cut them out of the bag, if they aren’t netted I use kitchen twine to tie them so they don’t fall apart. I mix up some garlic and onion power, fine ground black pepper, a little thyme, ground mustard and celery seed, then lightly sprinkle this on all sides the breast. Don’t over spice or you lose the flavor of the turkey. Since they are processed, I think they already have enough salt in them.

Put it in the cooker at 225-250 and lightly smoke it until the internal is 160 degrees, then foil it, put it in a pan (these juice like crazy)and let it sit for 20 minutes or so. I’ve used Hickory, Oak, and Apple wood. So far the Hickory the best, but don’t over smoke or you get white ham. They usually take about 5-7 hours. If I’m doing them along with pork butts, I’ll foil them after about 3 hours so they don’t get over smoked.

I too prefer St. Louis style ribs. I buy them wholesale by the case from a place called Restaurant Depot (I get my turkey breasts there too) I don’t know where you are in Dallas but there is one opening there in October. It’s at 2151 Irving Blvd. Dallas, TX 75207-6503

Funny, I’m eating a smoked turkey sandwich as I type this! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sep 27 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Steve-O. I like the trimmings too. (We call'em tips) I let mine cook for about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs. Take them off cut them into pieces and smother them with sauce. Great finger food.


Oh...Those are the only things I like smothered in sauce.
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PostPosted: Sep 27 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

smoke the trim up and sauce once or twice till they are over done. Add em to some beans. check out my kicked ass bean recipe.

http://thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1111
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