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krazylegs
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Help!! regards to selling pulled pork sandwiches. Reply with quote

Okay, boys here it is I did some Que this weekend and it was awsome, so a friend of mine who works for the County suggested that I make some sandwiches up and sell them. she followed up by saying that there is no place to get BBQ here at all. And around lunch time there is no place close to go to.

I know that I would clean house and probably sell 40 - 50 sandwiches a whack.

so my questions would be

Do I invest in a cart?

what about licenses and permits, I dont want to sneak around like the tamale ladies do.

how do I keep it hot ( I know about the ice chest thing but I need something that will remain hot, some type of heat source).

how much should I charge? I was thinking about 3.50 per sammy, and 5.00 for chips and soda

and when should I Q it, fresh pulled form a long night of smoking, Q it, pull it freeze it then take out when needed.


I know that I am missing allot here but I need you guys to come through and give me some wisdom. I know of one of the guys that has a hot dog cart and just started selling brisket. And if i heard correctly he has been selling out.

sorry this post is so long but this idea has really got my wheels spinning.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think about maybe having them order a "plate" once a week and do it that way.. Something like Que, slaw, bread, and beans or something and set a price...then bring it down on a pre-set date. I dont know how big of an office it is or anything, but selling 40-50 sandwiches per day could a lot of work for you or a lot to expect...If you didnt sell one day you would have a lot of waste...so if you had people sign up for plates you could get things right each time...also you could smoke the pork ahead of time and vaccum pack it..and use what you needed each time..


I think that would be a good way to go, and you could probably skirt the regs for a little while like that...now if you wanted to get one of those catering vans you would have to get all of the certs and everything..
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: pork Reply with quote

I was thinking of that also by having a flyer made up and just take phone orders, but I though that I would sell more by going to the site.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Re: pork Reply with quote

krazylegs wrote:
I was thinking of that also by having a flyer made up and just take phone orders, but I though that I would sell more by going to the site.


My hot dog stand turned into a bbq stand so here is what I can tell you. My business tripled in 2 weeks, I now have a hard time keeping up with smoking the briskets. My pit only holds 3 at a time. So my next move is a larger pit and a concession trailer. This has all grown very fast and I was not expecting it. So be ready. I sell outside of a vfw and I have a Spring Creek and a Dickeys bbq not too far but my customers say mine is better and keep coming back. As far as permits go just get the health inspection and the liability insurance and you wont have any problems. I still sell quite a few hot links,smoked sausages and some dogs but the bbq is my main money maker. I can also tell you I have had 2 framing crews and 2 trim crews at the same time and I now work harder selling bbq than I ever did in construction.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

One other thing....be prepared for the health inspector to give you crap about smoking your own meat, Mine is ok with it but I have to have a canopy over the top of it and I know this will vary everywhere. The other thing I have going for me is I live in Texas and you know how Texans love BBQ...Good luck to you and keep us posted.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: cart Reply with quote

How do you keep your Q warm, do you have steam trays in your cart? are there any other options? I know how texans love BBQ, Well im from California, and in my county our inspecters have small man sindrome, and think that they are some kind of god around here. How much are you charging for your sammies? Mine will be pulled pork.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: pulled pork Reply with quote

Dawgphan, I know that 50 sammies is allot, but I wouldnt do it one a week, I would make two runs like on a monday and wednesday. Thus expecting to sell 25 per day, does that seem more reasonable. or am i still off base with the calculation?
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

krazylegs:

Up here the going rate for a half pound sammy is $6.50 and $5.00 for a third of a pound sammich. You could probably bump that up a bit if you have slaw and tater salad as well.
I have done some catering gigs when I worked at the Smoke house and what we did was prepare the meat and place it in a tray, you want the meat so it is at temp when you arrive, use a small foam bowl to portion the meat and let the folks make their own sammies. Just an idea.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: sammies Reply with quote

how do you keep it at the correct temp. for any period of time. Thanks for the suggestion conserning the portions.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will need an insulated box that the pan fits into. One of those pizza delivery things should do ya just fine I would think. Or you could spend 5 or 6 hundred for a professional warmer.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Re: sammies Reply with quote

krazylegs wrote:
how do you keep it at the correct temp. for any period of time. Thanks for the suggestion conserning the portions.


I use steam tables
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: pork Reply with quote

Ohman, how many sammies do you sell a day, do you go out every day, and I'm sure that you already answered this but, what type of smoker are you using. Question I myself would like to use nothing but hard wood for 2 reasons 1) I think that it is a better quality, 2) the wood that I use now (oak) is free and I could have all that I want. But, the cons would be that I would be up all night tending the fire, and getting very little rest. I have also thought about getting a Treager, but the cost of those pellets would kill my "low over head policy"

also how many ounces do you pile on per sammie? and could you discribe your cart a little more so that I could try to configure some type of warming system. such as steam tables.

Roxy, how long would those pizza things hold the heat? an estimate would be greatif it could hold for two hours or so that would do me fine. and again, thanks for all the replies, I need them.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont think youd get two hours from the bags, but for going from home to the place your selling at would be fine, short time only I would think.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: pork sammies Reply with quote

thanks for the fast post roxy that hold time is about what I had figured also. and again I thank you fellas for comin through.

Now, if I could only get alien to give me his two cents worth, and where is fat cat at, havent seen him in a while.

by the way the wife has a funny attitude now that I could make a little money on the side she is all about getting a bigger smoker. well I for one am Shocked
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus you can write the smoker off along with anything else associated with BBQ (except maybe beer).

50 sandwiches is 3 butts and you will be serving them indoors? I'd be inclined to cook them on the weekend, bag them up, then reheat in a slow cooker.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Re: pork sammies Reply with quote

krazylegs wrote:

Now, if I could only get alien to give me his two cents worth, and where is fat cat at, havent seen him in a while.

:shock:


You wanted my two cents so here it is. I use to inspect the carts you are talking about and they are expensive. Working from home is another option but in Florida where I was an inspector you had to have a commercial kitchen with commercial appliances ect. The best of both worlds I found was a partnership with someone who had a commercial kitchen. Many vendors rented time or space from a local bar or restaurant and the vendor delivered to sites like pizza companies do. Most of the vendors operating like this worked out of bars that were opened but not very busy during the day. The bar owners like it because it gave them access to appetizers without having to hire a cook. Nothing in the regulations says that two different restaurants could not operate from the same kitchen. In fact, if you are familiar with roach coaches (chrome trucks that go to construction sites) many of them operate from a commissary that cooks their food and sells it to them at a jobber rate. Anyway the magic number you want to work with is 4 hours. You can keep food off temp (<140 degrees) for that long. The way you get a inspector to buy off on it is to time date your sandwiches. If you can show documentation when a sandwich was created and you discard all sandwiches that go over the time limit then you can work around the food warmer. With this in mind, assuming you are doing the delivery thing, you can make a warming box out of metal and a hot plate. Hook up a AC converter (about 800 watts) to your cigarette lighter and it will supply a small hotplate with AC as you make your deliveries. A single coffee warmer does well also. Just use a little common sense in the design so you do not burn your car up. In fact, I would shut it off when I was not there.
Finally, I think you should raise the price on your sandwiches. If you think about it you are cheaper than McDonalds, have a better product, and deliver. That should be worth something. On the condiments, go with single serve pacs. You don’t want the hassle of carrying jars or lids or knives to spread things. If you are visiting construction sites then serve your BBQ in a hoagie or big bun. It’s the same amount of meat but looks like more because of the “manly” size of the sandwich. Most of these guys are going to take it back to the site and not sit down at a table, so make it easier for them to handle. This way you can wrap them in foil and it is like peel and eat for them.
Well you have more than what I planned to say. You might get with BBQMAN and ask him some questions. He is in the business with both feet. One last word of warning. Hotdog vendors in Miami averaged about $60K a year from a cart. These guys were VERY territorial to the point of gun play. Make sure your not playing in someone else’s back yard.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Re: pork Reply with quote

krazylegs wrote:
Ohman, how many sammies do you sell a day, do you go out every day, and I'm sure that you already answered this but, what type of smoker are you using. Question I myself would like to use nothing but hard wood for 2 reasons 1) I think that it is a better quality, 2) the wood that I use now (oak) is free and I could have all that I want. But, the cons would be that I would be up all night tending the fire, and getting very little rest. I have also thought about getting a Treager, but the cost of those pellets would kill my "low over head policy"

also how many ounces do you pile on per sammie? and could you discribe your cart a little more so that I could try to configure some type of warming system. such as steam tables.

Roxy, how long would those pizza things hold the heat? an estimate would be greatif it could hold for two hours or so that would do me fine. and again, thanks for all the replies, I need them.


It varies but I do from 40-60 bbq sandwichs a day. I use a chargriller pro and I cant speak highly enough about it except for I need more room. I use nothing but wood in it, many say not to but I do and it works great. I smoke my brisket or butt for 4-5 hours then I wrap it so I dont over smoke it. If I am real busy I take the meat after I wrap it an finish in it my gas smoker and put more that needs to me smoked on the chargriller.As far as tending a fire all night that is where it gets hard for me sometimes. I cant some all night then sell during the day, so I smoke where I sell because people love to see the smoker going, it draws them in. Here is a pic of my cart.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cart is not that big but I can serve alot of food from it, the grill on the back is really a griddle(it has a griddle instead of the racks) so I can use it as a steamtable too .Here is my smoker setup.

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Real nice looking setup Ohman, not too big but you got all you need and I think you did a great job of making it all portable. Your doing it the way they did 80 years ago and I wish ya the best of success, just remember all the little guys when you got a chain of Oh Man BBQ pits.
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2005    Post subject: sammies Reply with quote

First off let me thank you guys for helping out. Okay, I have decided to raise my price per sammie, to $5.00, because it is better and allot bigger than Mcdonalds. I'm also going to the aluminium foil thing for better ease. And as far as compition goes, there is none, I will be the only one doing this in the whole tri-county area. Allien, could you go into a little more depth on a box design, I ask, because metal and electricity are not exactly my forte'. That idea you have mentioned about the hot plate and the metal box is genious to say the least would I get a deep pan that would rest in the box that healt the already wraped sammies? But I really wouldnt know how about going about the design phase of it. And I dig the part about piling the meat on a big bun or hoagy, I want the customer to feel in their belly that there $5.00 was well invested.
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