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700 degree's ain't pretty!! rocks Stepped up to rectify!
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Harry Nutczak
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PostPosted: Sep 29 2007    Post subject: 700 degree's ain't pretty!! rocks Stepped up to rectify! Reply with quote

I fired up the stumps this evening to get it warmed up for a real early start in the morning, I went out to check it becuase i was smelling something that did not smell too good,

it smelled like a house fire!!

the fan was still running even though my set temp was met 500 degree's ago!!, the stoker temp read 737 degrees!!! yes it was correct!!

the door thermometer lapped itself!! it went all the way around!

WTF!!! now my probe wires are all melted to schitt!! and I got an Insulated stumps that is too hot to touch on the outside!!

isn't technology wonderful? I got the stoker so I could run the stumps lightly attended to unattended of needed.

The fan turned that firebox into a blast furnace!!

Damn-it!! I hope my insurance covers any damage to the smoker that this may have caused!

And I got a cook tomorrow that I need to do 360 pounds of beef!!

Not like I can rent a cooker around here!!

So, be careful using a stoker, I thought I could trust it.

EDIT:.............

Rocks BBQ called me today to apologize, had me check the fan for damage & proper operation., (it is fine) and is replacing the damaged pit probe and adding a food probe to the deal.

He was sincerely concerned, he also asked if there was any monetary losses involved from damaged foods that needed to be compensated for.

Customer service is excellent! I made the correct choice by choosing the stoker. it had an issue that could have had less severe consequences by me setting the over-temp alarms.

So, based on product quality and customer service I will defenitely stay a customer of Rock's BBQ and the stoker product.
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PostPosted: Sep 29 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope that all is well with the stumps and you can get things together for your cook, I am thinking of ya and wishing you all th best.
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PostPosted: Sep 29 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That really sucks!
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dang! That sucks! Crying or Very sad let us know how your smoker is doing.
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry, if you lived closer I would let you borrow mine. Hope everything goes well.

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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That blows...thats why I wouldnt use a stoker or something to control my pit...besides...whats the fun having something do all the work. Hope your equipment is all fine.
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH what a bummer!

So did it completely toast you Stumper? Got any idea what what actually went wrong?
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

it took a while to get everything cooled down, alot of funky noises going on while I was misting the interior with water.

No apparent damage, the stumps chugged along great since.

I need to re-oil & coat everything with a heavy smoke again. The interior is as dry as a popcaorn fart after that and I do not want it to get rusty now.

So, what is the correct way to open the door on a smoker running at 750 degrees??? carefully maybe??
Can we say "Flash Over" with a brilliant blue flame that seemed to hover weightlessly in the cold air.

I had a pretty good chance of having a ball of flame come bursting out when the fresh air hit the oil residue on the interior form past cooks.

I did not have the "Over-Temp" alarm set, maybe that would have stopped it from getting that high.

The thing has worked flawlessly on every cook we have done, sometimes running for 48 hours non-stop.
Nothing odd during start-up to warn me things were amiss either.
I love the way it gets the pit up to temp in less then 1-hour.

Well, it shows me that stumps don't make no junk!! it seems fine after that which impressed me pretty good. I bet a WSM or any other non-insulated cooker would have melted or blown off all the paint and turned into a rust ball.
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

withing what temp range do the GF models hold temps w/out a stoker? It seems they would hold them vey close..dont see why one of those models even need a stoker or guru? I have a Stumps uninsulated model...and I know everything is top notch.
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry,

Glad that you are all right and the cooker seem to survived o.k.

I always believe that anything man made can fail and at some point it will.
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The smoker should have been fine. Except for the growing pains from the themal expansion. Eventhough the insulation is rated at 1200 degrees there are some conductive joints that will transmit the heat to the skin of the cooker to let you know things are cooking. Normally in the 225 degree smoking range it is not a obvious.

Now when the temp controller shoots a wad on you and the fan goes into after burner mode, all bets are off.

Good to hear that things are back in control.
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks, glad to hear everything came out well. My wife just bought me a stoker for our 10th anniversary after listening to me drop hints for months. Hope I don't have issues....
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PostPosted: Sep 30 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ceedubya wrote:
That sucks, glad to hear everything came out well. My wife just bought me a stoker for our 10th anniversary after listening to me drop hints for months. Hope I don't have issues....


Set your overtemp alarms, And run it connected to a computer with the "StokerLog 4.0" program with the alarms set there too.
I had not done either one that night and I would have been alerted to the impending doom right away and I would have been able to shut it down sooner. When I do use my alarms, they are set at 30 over (255) any closer can get you running too quickly.

The stumps holds temp perfectly without any controller, I like the stoker because it gets the pit up to temp real fast, it cooks more evenly from side to side, and I can nail a temp to the degree with no fluctuation.
And I can log all my cooks and save the time temp logs to combat any possible accusations of food borne illness.

This is nobodies fault but my own, I know better then to leave a pit unattended at start-up, and you should never let any electronically controlled equipment up to it's own decisions.

I just would like to know why it didn't shut off the fan even after my set temp was tripled in heat.
it was still blowing even with the stoker display reading 737 degrees, the probe covering completely melted off and it still read correctly.

probably a good thing there isn't a stop pin on the door thermo, the needle would have been busted off!

Oh, the door thermo is still accurate after this, I can't believe it survived.
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PostPosted: Oct 01 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its good to hear that all is well with your stokes, but how did the smoke go after wards did all turn out ok?
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PostPosted: Oct 01 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now you know you can get it up to 700, are you adding pizza to the menu? Laughing Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Oct 01 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Nutczak wrote:
...Well, it shows me that stumps don't make no junk!! it seems fine after that which impressed me pretty good. I bet a WSM or any other non-insulated cooker would have melted or blown off all the paint and turned into a rust ball.


Actually....At a recent comp, I finished my chicken so I let the WSM run all vents open so I can have less charcoal to put out when the day is done (I don't re-use briquettes). To make the process go faster I pull the water pan out and take the door off. Temps then start to soar. At that cookoff, I forgot about the pan and just pulled off the door. While slicing up my brisket the water pan's grease caught on fire (when I cook chickens I don't have water in the pan so it collects juices only). Talk about excitement right before turn-in. Anyhow, The flames were so high you could see them coming out of the exhaust vent. We managed to get the door back on and close all the vents. I started panicking as I heard so much sizzling going on. After turn in of brisket we opened the WSM and to my surprise it was ok. The pan and grates were charred, but that scrubbed off. The porceline outside looks normal. So for a such a high heat it withstood very well and impressed me.
I think when anything is well made (Stumps, WSM, etc.), they can be forgiving in the disaster category too. Wink

I'm glad everything worked out for your equipment.
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PostPosted: Oct 01 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Birchwood76 wrote:
Its good to hear that all is well with your stokes, but how did the smoke go after wards did all turn out ok?


it worked perfectly the next day, Once i got it all cooled down and all the steam out of it, I loaded my meat and wood for the few hours I had left before I had to be onsite. I had problems holding temps from opening the door so much during the cook that day though. we had a crowd near 20,000 people, and several have never seen a real smoker before so I showed it off a little.

That is where the stoker really shines, temperature recovery after working with the door open for extended periods, and when you need to increase temperature to bake cornbread and other high-temp stuff.

Well, all that baked-on mung that was collecting at the racks sliders is now clean. along with any other sticky grease that was in the hard to reach places. it is raining hard now (cow pissing on a flat rock type of rain) so it is staying in the trailer until it dries up, then I will closely check everything, get it re-oiled and throw some heavy smoke through it to get everything coated again.

And a call to rock to inquire as to possible reasons why this would happen.
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PostPosted: Oct 02 2007    Post subject: This is funny Reply with quote

so heres what happened to me on sunday. i was cooking ribs on my big grren egg, and used the storker in it for the first time. to make a long story short, i had unpluged the blower to keep it from running while i did some work with the dome open. after i closed the dome, i pluged the blower back in, and it started running. i wanted to watch to see how long it would take for the temp to get back to its setting, so i sat down and watched the readout. the temp way over shot its target and the blower KEPT running. turns out, you can plug the blower (most of the way, but not all) in and it will contunuesly run. i then pluged it ALL the way in and it went back to working great again.

just a little story and some FYI

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I use a poor man's stoker on my Stumps. I open the ball valve full and hold a hair dryer over the valve opening for a few minutes (about one beer) and the Stumps is up to temp. I then close the valve about half way to keep the temp constant. When I open the door I hit it again for about 30 seconds and then let her go. It holds temp untill I open it again. Unfortunatly there are alot more things on the priority list ahead of the Stoker for the near future.
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PostPosted: Oct 02 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I edited my original post,

Rock's BBQ stepped up to the plate and handled the issues like the professionals that they are.



I am very pleased.
He has gone above & beyond, no blame games were played, and he wassincerely concerned about damage & possible loss of food product!
Read the edit on the first post if interested.
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