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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Any advice for a first timer in competition? Reply with quote

I am entering my first bbq competition next weekend. It is a KCBS-sanctioned event. I am entering Pork Butt, Pork Ribs, Brisket, Chicken, and Anything Butt. Does anyone have any advice for a first time bbq competitor? I would especially appreciate any advice for packing the box for presentation (glazes, sauces, spritzes, garnishes, etc). Thank you!!!
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skip the anything butt, you'll need all the time to concentrate on your main turn-ins, here's a couple presentation's............

By imn88fan

By imn88fan
Keep your sauces simple (and light), and most important.....have fun.
the Bbq circuit is a big family for the most part, the pro's usually swarm the noob's and offer alot of advise.........hope you at least been practicing.
good luck and bring back pic's Cool
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always enjoy doing the "Anything Butt" turn in as it gives us something to do on Friday night and provides a fun challenge.

Last comp I was at we had Flank Steak for Anything Butt and we ended up making some Fajitas. Was a blast!


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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

One trick is to prepare your boxes with garnish the night before, and put them back in a cooler. That way when the turn in times come about on saturday you can give your undivided attention to perfecting your meat instead of worrying about the garnish.
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's the comp?

IF it's Ponca City, stop by my spot and I'll be happy to help, but I see it's the NC contest. At the cook's meeting they always announce the first time teams and ABSOLUTELY take anyone up willing to help. Lot of experience there and most are happy to help first timers.

Have fun.

Don't sweat the appearace, go for solid, but don't get lost in the lettuce. You'll gain 4X more for taste and 2X more for tenderness than appearance. I see first time teams worry more about the looks than the taste.

Have fun.

Taste everything before you put it in the box and if it needs "something" then add something.

Take notes

Have fun (see a trend here)

Make a plan in advance for timing. My first contest I went in with a checklist and a timing chart that I'd built during a practice.

Drink beverages AFTER the last turn-in.

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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SmokinOkie wrote:
Drink beverages AFTER the last turn-in.

Smokin'


Yeah....right!! How 'bout drink beverages UNTIL the last turn-in?? Razz

Oh yeah.....and have fun too! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:
SmokinOkie wrote:
Drink beverages AFTER the last turn-in.

Smokin'


Yeah....right!! How 'bout drink beverages UNTIL the last turn-in?? Razz

Oh yeah.....and have fun too! Laughing


Preach it Brother!
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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:


Yeah....right!! How 'bout drink beverages UNTIL the last turn-in?? Razz

Oh yeah.....and have fun too! Laughing


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PostPosted: Sep 20 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have fun is the key.

Friends willing to help are great, UNLESS they are the town drunk. Cooking and babysitting do not go together.

A good goal for the first comp, make all your turn-ins with properly cooked food. If you do that, you are off to a great start. Finding the taste your judges score high is a process, focus on timing first. Taste won't matter if it is over or under cooked.

Hope that helps,
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

OkieJay wrote:
Have fun is the key.

Friends willing to help are great, UNLESS they are the town drunk. Cooking and babysitting do not go together.

A good goal for the first comp, make all your turn-ins with properly cooked food. If you do that, you are off to a great start. Finding the taste your judges score high is a process, focus on timing first. Taste won't matter if it is over or under cooked.

Hope that helps,
Jay


Hay Jay, I gota ask... is that first hand experience or just some friendly advise? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bbq Bubba wrote:
Skip the anything butt, you'll need all the time to concentrate on your main turn-ins, here's a couple presentation's............

By imn88fan

By imn88fan
Keep your sauces simple (and light), and most important.....have fun.
the Bbq circuit is a big family for the most part, the pro's usually swarm the noob's and offer alot of advise.........hope you at least been practicing.
good luck and bring back pic's Cool

Thanks for the advice and the GREAT looking pics! Just curious about the pulled pork in the center of the tray - this KCBS comp says to have 6-8 easily identifiable portions - are they not strict on that or was that from a different santioning organization?

We have been practicing quite a bit. Our last five cooking sessions have been dedicated to perfecting techniques and recipes. Each practice has been psuedo-judged by family and friends as few as 20 or as big as a church congregation of 150 or more. Each time we seem to get a little better so I guess we are heading in the right direction.

For the anything butt we have planned a smoked prime rib so hopefully it won't take up too much of our time. The event organizers "strongly encouraged" us to at least enter that side competition. I had the same thought that it would distract us from the main points categories, but I guess we'll see how it goes.

I'll keep you guys posted. Thanks for all of the encouraging posts!
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

OkieJay wrote:
Have fun is the key.

Friends willing to help are great, UNLESS they are the town drunk. Cooking and babysitting do not go together.

A good goal for the first comp, make all your turn-ins with properly cooked food. If you do that, you are off to a great start. Finding the taste your judges score high is a process, focus on timing first. Taste won't matter if it is over or under cooked.

Hope that helps,
Jay


Thanks for the advice! Speaking of over or under cooked - I am quite comfortable with my ribs, pork butt, and chicken as to when it is cooked properly. I have had success with brisket in the flavor department, but haven't quite gotten my texture down. I have cooked anywhere from - 170 degrees open on grill and then foil it to keep warm - or the last time I cooked to 160 degrees, foiled it, and then cooked it to 190 degrees. The 170 degrees was too dry and the 190 degrees was very moist, but seemed to be almost too much of a fall-apart consistancy. When you picked up a slice, it would effectively break in two. Twas very tasty though. Is that considered over-cooked? I am wondering if 185 degrees isn't my magic number. However that last brisket did stay foiled in a cooler way longer than normal due to the group not being ready to eat so it may have cooked up considerably more after being foiled.
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice would be to buy 1 spice rub and 1 sauce and use them on all 4 categories....worry about cooking the food and not the flavors.

head Country sauce and smokin guns mild is a good place to start...
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www1.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10865&highlight=

that thread has pictures of my last turnin boxes along with the scores...
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

holy smoke bbq wrote:


For the anything butt we have planned a smoked prime rib so hopefully it won't take up too much of our time. The event organizers "strongly encouraged" us to at least enter that side competition. I had the same thought that it would distract us from the main points categories, but I guess we'll see how it goes.

I'll keep you guys posted. Thanks for all of the encouraging posts!


For anything butt you are usually given the meat at the Cook's Meeting on Friday - so its not something you bring and can have time to prepare. You are usually given 3 or 4 hours to think up what you want to do and prepare it.

That is where all of the fun is Laughing
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvreeland wrote:
holy smoke bbq wrote:


For the anything butt we have planned a smoked prime rib so hopefully it won't take up too much of our time. The event organizers "strongly encouraged" us to at least enter that side competition. I had the same thought that it would distract us from the main points categories, but I guess we'll see how it goes.

I'll keep you guys posted. Thanks for all of the encouraging posts!


For anything butt you are usually given the meat at the Cook's Meeting on Friday - so its not something you bring and can have time to prepare. You are usually given 3 or 4 hours to think up what you want to do and prepare it.

That is where all of the fun is Laughing


Check w/ your contest organizer. Most "anything butt" categories around these parts, you must bring your own meat to cook.
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

holy smoke bbq wrote:

Thanks for the advice and the GREAT looking pics! Just curious about the pulled pork in the center of the tray - this KCBS comp says to have 6-8 easily identifiable portions - are they not strict on that or was that from a different santioning organization?


The KCBS rules state you must turn in "AT LEAST 6 seperated and identifiable portions". There are easily more than 6 seperated and identifiable portions in that box. Wink

http://www.kcbs.us/downloads/2007KCBSCooksHandbook.pdf
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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

allsmokenofire wrote:
holy smoke bbq wrote:

Thanks for the advice and the GREAT looking pics! Just curious about the pulled pork in the center of the tray - this KCBS comp says to have 6-8 easily identifiable portions - are they not strict on that or was that from a different santioning organization?


The KCBS rules state you must turn in "AT LEAST 6 seperated and identifiable portions". There are easily more than 6 seperated and identifiable portions in that box. Wink

http://www.kcbs.us/downloads/2007KCBSCooksHandbook.pdf



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PostPosted: Sep 21 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy Smoke, those were KCBS boxes and the pork doesn't require the 6 pieces unless ya slice it, some guys do both.

Yes you bring your own meat for anything butt.

Dawg gave EXCELLENT advise on the sauces/rubs

Foil your brisket when you want but start checking it at about 190 with a probe, should push in like butter, that's when it's done!! Shocked
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On the brisket, cook it to the 190 like you did. I try and let mine rest in a cooler for at least 2 hours before slicing.

When you slice, make sure the slices are only about the width of a pencil.

My last comp I thought I had overcooked my brisket. It was all I could do to keep the slices from falling apart when I put them in the box. At the awards when they were about to announce the brisket, I told the wife that we may as well not even listen cause mine was crap. Turned out I got 8th place out of 63 teams.

I think it firmed up a bit in the box while it was waiting to be judged.

My understanding is the slice should not fall apart when picked up, but it should come apart with a very slight tug.
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