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mds2
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| BBQMAN wrote: | | mds2 wrote: | | BBQMAN wrote: |
After all, with all this "new technology" it should be any thing goes then, right?
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I think it should be. I dont care what other types of cookers people are using at comps. |
Exactly my point! 
Backyard, comps, catering, or what not. BBQ is BBQ! |
I agree. If you dont have the right seasoning, timing, temp, skill and a little bit of luck it doesnt matter what you are using for fuel.
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I think a man should be able to cook on whatever smoker his wife allows him to buy .
Enough said!
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| dabaslab wrote: | I think a man should be able to cook on whatever smoker his wife allows him to buy .
Enough said!
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 Good one!
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OddThomas
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| Posted: Aug 13 2007 Post subject: Re: Pellet Cooker, glorified oven or BBQ Pit, reposted |
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| bluesman250 wrote: | | But at least i admit they remove many of the variables that other cookers have to contend with. |
I don't think anyone here is going to deny this point... but it's redundant. Pellet cookers are designed specifically to do exactly that--eliminate variables. This is like pointing out that drivers don't have to feed and stable their automobiles... well duh.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I have to say it... cooking Q ain't rocket science. You can jump up and down and harp about the "human element" all you want and it won't change the fact that it's really not difficult to begin with. All a pellet muncher really does is save the cook time.
I don't care what you use, churning out good results is just a process of learning to use the tools you have at hand. Cook Q the way you want and let others cook it they way they want. All that really matters is whether or not you enjoy eating it when you're done.
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OddThomas
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| BBQMAN wrote: | | Why are electric powered pellet ovens allowed, and my oven is not? |
I've never participated in a competition, so I don't know for sure (nor do I have an opinion either way), but I'd say that pellet cookers are allowed because although they are automatically supplied, they still use a wood fuel source. I'm sure this is why Stumps (and other gravity fed cookers) are also allowed; although they are automatic, they burn a wood based fuel. I think LP cookers step up to a different level of instant heat control that would give them an unfair advantage.
| BBQMAN wrote: | | I think (but I'm not sure) that is what the bluesman was getting at? |
I don't think bluesman was talking about competitions at all... he never mentioned that in his OP or the secondary poll. He used the term cheating, which got people on the competition angle. I think he used cheating to infer using a pellet cooker wasn't the same as making "real" (whatever that means) Q. |
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OddThomas
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| dabaslab wrote: | | I think a man should be able to cook on whatever smoker his wife allows him to buy |
Amen brother! |
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bluesman250
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| OddThomas wrote: | | bluesman250 wrote: | | And i never said pellet oven were cheating, i asked if they were. |
Hi,
You've already made that decision; long before you posted here. All you're looking for here is some sort of validation, which you're not getting (nor did you get at the BBQ forum). |
I'm not looking for validation, i could care less if people who lack real pitmaster skills need an electric oven powered by pellets to cook. Its their choice. I just better not hear them refer to themselves as pitmasters. |
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Lewis & Herschel
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Be careful with you generalizations. Must people I know with pellet cookers have progressed to them after using offsets for years. Meaning, they have paid there dues and no longer feel it nescessary to baby sit a pit to create BBQ. They understand that, while others spend all their time on their pits, they can be concentrating on the meat.
But to each's own.
Bottom line is, The KCBS did not have to change any rules for Pellet Cookers to be allowed, because they are 100% wood fired.
Since you are such a pit master, you should not have any worries about the lowly pellet burners, sounds like you are twice the pit master they are and should always beat them in competition. 
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dabaslab
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bluesman250
It is just to bad this post didn't remain deleted and not ever posted.
You last post said "I just better not hear them refer to themselves as pitmasters."
What in goodness name are you going to do about me or anyone else who uses a pellet cooker referring to ourselves as a pitmaster? Are you going to Polk out your lips, Roll your eyes and grit your teeth or something even more frightening?
Gees... your tag shows that you cook on WSM. How much easier can it get? At least I have to refill the pellet hopper ever now and then.
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roxy
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I'll say it again..
WOW!!
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BangBangBBQ
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| OddThomas wrote: | | dabaslab wrote: | | I think a man should be able to cook on whatever smoker his wife allows him to buy |
Amen brother! |
Make that double amen for me!
I have no opion one way or the other regarding pellet cookers, never cooked on o ne, never eaten anything from one (that i know of). I have to admit the whole plug it in thing is a little foriegn to me, but hey man....to each their own. I also find it really odd that a guy with a name like bluesman can't just chill. There are as many different ways to play the blues as there are ways to bbq. Each is a thing a beauty in its own way.
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OddThomas
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| bluesman250 wrote: | | I'm not looking for validation, i could care less if people who lack real pitmaster skills need an electric oven powered by pellets to cook. Its their choice. I just better not hear them refer to themselves as pitmasters. |
Hi,
Well I can tell you 3 things for sure:
[1] If you didn't need validation and you couldn't care less if some folks use pellet cookers, you wouldn't post threads and polls in multiple forums regarding the issue. And it's not that you just have a simple question to ask; you're are making an accusation (intentional or not) in the form of a question. There's a difference.
[2] Not all people who choose to use pellet cookers lack "real skill"; some could probably cook your ass into the ground using your own pit and make you rethink your self appointed pit master title.
[3] I've never referred to myself as a "pit master" and I've been doing this for most of my life. Do you get a crown and throne with the title? A magic wand? Free bus fare? |
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bluesman250
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| OddThomas wrote: | | bluesman250 wrote: | | I'm not looking for validation, i could care less if people who lack real pitmaster skills need an electric oven powered by pellets to cook. Its their choice. I just better not hear them refer to themselves as pitmasters. |
Hi,
Well I can tell you 3 things for sure:
[1] If you didn't need validation and you couldn't care less if some folks use pellet cookers, you wouldn't post threads and polls in multiple forums regarding the issue. And it's not that you just have a simple question to ask; you're are making an accusation (intentional or not) in the form of a question. There's a difference.
[2] Not all people who choose to use pellet cookers lack "real skill"; some could probably cook your ass into the ground using your own pit and make you rethink your self appointed pit master title.
[3] I've never referred to myself as a "pit master" and I've been doing this for most of my life. Do you get a crown and throne with the title? A magic wand? Free bus fare? |
Why don't you tell me? I never ONCE claimed to be a pitmaster. I also never claimed to be able to cook any better then anyone else. I really wish people here would learn to read, instead of foaming at the mouth and screaming all the time. if people want to use a Q that plugs in, makes it easier to cook, or just takes the variables out, thats fine by me. I will never see those people as pitmasters, REGARDLESS of the quality of Q the produce. And i never once claimed that pellet oven produced inferior tasting Q. |
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OddThomas
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| bluesman250 wrote: | | I never ONCE claimed to be a pitmaster. |
Yet you feel authoritative enough on the subject to deny the title to others based on the equipment they use? Exactly what are your judging qualifications other than your experience with your WSM?
| bluesman250 wrote: | | I also never claimed to be able to cook any better then anyone else. |
Maybe not directly, but your line of questioning and your previously deleted posts tend to lean in that direction. Going out on a limb, I'd say you see yourself as more "pit master worthy" than to those who use pellet cookers.
| bluesman250 wrote: | | I really wish people here would learn to read, instead of foaming at the mouth and screaming all the time. |
Of course no one is doing either... But look at it this way, if you have to precede your post with "with out upsetting anyone" you already know you're gonna piss some people off, so don't act all surprised (or innocent) when they respond.
| bluesman250 wrote: | | if people want to use a Q that plugs in, makes it easier to cook, or just takes the variables out, thats fine by me. I will never see those people as pitmasters, REGARDLESS of the quality of Q the produce. And i never once claimed that pellet oven produced inferior tasting Q. |
Why is this thread titled "Pellet cooker. Glorified Oven or BBQ Pit." if all you're concerned with is whether or not someone calls themselves a pit master? It's seem pretty obvious you're taking a stab at the choice of equipment and it's ability to produce "real Q".
What the hell is "real Q" anyway if it's not about the flavor and quality of the product? I mean... how exactly does one make fake Q?
What difference does it make what someone calls themselves pit master if you don't care?
But the most important question of all is: does anyone here really give a rat's ass if bluesman "sees them" as a pit master? Dude this is surreal... Maybe we should start a poll. |
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Jeff Hughes
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Well said...
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Lewis & Herschel
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Frankily, this is a stupid thread. For home cooks, their are no rules, and for comp cooks, Pellets are legal. Outside of that, this whole thing is Blah, Blah, Blah.
I hear the French love a good horse, especially after it has been beaten to death. I wonder if they would cook it on Pellets or an Offset and maybe inject it with FAB H.
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| I guess i did not realize how fragile pellet head really were. It must be all that ragging they get all the time about using computers, electronics, and draft controls. you don't like me? Fine. Want to use a pellet oven. Fine. Want to assume i don't know what i am talking about? Thats fine too. all of the asinine posts, asinine assumptions, and just general b!tching have taken a good thread and ruined it. I have never seen a bigger group of whiners anywhere. To all of those that responded like adults, thank you. TO everyone else, WHAW! |
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Lewis & Herschel
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| bluesman250 wrote: | | I guess i did not realize how fragile pellet head really were. It must be all that ragging they get all the time about using computers, electronics, and draft controls. you don't like me? Fine. Want to use a pellet oven. Fine. Want to assume i don't know what i am talking about? Thats fine too. all of the asinine posts, asinine assumptions, and just general b!tching have taken a good thread and ruined it. I have never seen a bigger group of whiners anywhere. To all of those that responded like adults, thank you. TO everyone else, WHAW! |
Case in point^^^, Blah, Blah, Blah.
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mds2
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I do have to say this is the most entertaining thread in a while.
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| Lewis & Herschel wrote: | Frankily, this is a stupid thread. For home cooks, their are no rules, and for comp cooks, Pellets are legal. Outside of that, this whole thing is Blah, Blah, Blah.
I hear the French love a good horse, especially after it has been beaten to death. I wonder if they would cook it on Pellets or an Offset and maybe inject it with FAB H. |
Nothing wrong with a good horse steak, as long as ya dont know what it is till after your done eating it..
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