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Johnny V
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 11:50 am    Post subject: Very big no no in smoker building!!! Reply with quote

DO NOT PURGE A PROPANE TANK IN THE COUNTY!!! I guess I should have thought about it a little more but I didn't. I brought home my 500 gal. tank last night and to day I stuck a hose in it and let it rip. My driveway is for the most part flat and the weals were chalked but it moved and the trailer jack fell off the block and the old weld from the tong to the trailer cracked. Then when it filled up it ran out about 10 or 15 gallons of stink water down the street and in to the drain. Two hours latter here comes the gas co. and the fire dept. lights and all! Shocked No propane in the sewer but they got a ton of leak calls so the fire dept. had to flush it out. Now I have 500 gal of stink water and no welder or way to move it. After all that I am no longer under the radar as far as having a "project" sitting in the drive Crying or Very sad Man it hurts to be dumb Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What can I do to help? Need me to come make the first cuts and let the water drain or weld the jack back on?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Man with all the crud 10 or 15 gal got going I would be in jail for sure if I drained that dude!! Laughing You might just be getting a call tomorrow. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Johnny V - sounds like the whole situation went south - sorry to hear that - hang in there - glad to hear that you didn't get into too much trouble - wish you nothing but good luck from here on out!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did the gas co. recomend any way to neutralize the mercaptan that causes the stench?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Vexter1 yes it was a lot of fun! Lucky the wife was at work but Im sure she'll hear about it today. American west the gas guys were two older guys "in the biz for a long time" and swore that if you smell the stink then there is gas even thou I told them the tank had been open for 8 months. So when the fire dept. said there was no gas I didn"t want to say more than I had to. I did ask them if they had any ideas for me but all I got was "DONT DO IT AGAIN" Smile All and all I really lucked out because Im sure if I was not so nice and soooo sorry they could have really hit me with at least a fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny V wrote:
they could have really hit me with at least a fine.


For what I wonder. You did not cause a gas leak, you did not call the fire dept.; you didn’t spill anything but water; you didn’t intentionally cause a dangerous situation.

I really wonder what if anything they can fine you for.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The water from the tank had oil in it and even washing it down with my hose for at least an hour it was still slimy so I guess they could have said oil spill. Im sure they give fines to people for smaller stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add some simple greeen. Might knock the stink down.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22 09 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teleking wrote:

I really wonder what if anything they can fine you for.


The mercaptan is extremly strong smelling. The tanks get some sort of oil like stuff, like a air compressor does, in them and the mercaptan seems to absorb into the oil making the most awful stench. Johnny's neighbors are going to be very happy to smell that crap for the next few days. Information on google says to use a oxidizing agent, sodium hypochlorite(bleach) or hydrogen peroxide, to neutralize the mercaptan but it dident work for me. If you try it be careful about breathing the invisible vapors, in the stench, because I dont know if there is any toxic gases produced. Although it dident kill me after trying a whole bottle of Dawn dishsoap, in the tank before the fill, bleach and oxyclean then more dawn,after the spill. The place reeked for about 4 days.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of dead skunks might make them forget about the gas smell. I'm just sayin... Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Wise looking very old Gent here that owns the Propane company and is about to retire, told me the oil is condensed mercaptan settled in the bottom of the tank. He told me use Bleach. I used one of the smaller fat tank that stand on end. My neighborhood is electric so no one called in on me.
I used bleach and driveway degreaser twice.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QObsession wrote:

I used bleach and driveway degreaser twice.


Did it take away the smell?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It smelled a little when I cut it open. After I burnt it out however it smelled fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnnyV, thanks for the laf. We all get caught doing dumb things. Not all of our plans are flawless, no one got hurt, great read. Laughing Can you pump that yak snot off to some neer by woods, or dig a hole and pump it into it. Dig it deep tho.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll pop in to suggest a citric acid based degreaser / cleaner, to see if that can provide an answer to both neutralizing those residual mercaptans as well as cleaning the metal interior tank surface.

Here's one such company, give them a call with your details.

http://www.citrusdepot.net/products.html?gclid=CMK417emo5gCFQKHxwodk3B-9Q

The mercaptan agents used as 'stench' added to processed natural gas and LP gas like propane are very pungent, so that leak detection is easily recognizable, yet sulfur content of the fuel is barely increased, minimizing corrosion to tanks / regulators / burners etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man I have talked to everyone from my son to the pope today about this and got some good info on fixing the problem at hand. the M.D.N.R. (kinda like the E.P.A.) said that it is not at all toxic and to just dump it. Shocked After lastnight that didnt sound like a good idea to me. I will give all the info I have learned at a later time. Vector1- forgot to call about the tank I will call them first thing in the am. Thanks all for your imput! Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just drill a decent sized whole in it in the middle of the night and let it drain out then. no one will probably notice then.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude...DON'T EVER mix bleach with other chemicals! Bleach will react with a plethora of other stuff and the reaction will give off chlorine gas...a VERY BAD thing! That stuff can kill you.

Just be careful.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23 09 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah cape thats kinda what I was thinking too but I have read to use bleach more than once and a guy that rebuilds tanks told me today that a 50/50 mix, water/bleach, will take the smell off.
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